Easy money: Every single kill deducts rep no matter what, with less rep lost if they have negative rep or shot first etc, rep is only gained by doing actions.
You kill 10 turned? 1 rep. You bandage someone? 5 rep. Do a quest? Fix up someones car? Give someone items? Rep. All player interaction based ones should come with diminishing returns when performed to much for the same person so groups cant farm rep. Just incentivizing player interactions.
Pacifist players are rewarded with sweet deals on loot with NPCs, adding less incentive to kill others for loot, and murders can keep running around doing their thing, just having to avoid npc locations.
A good way to work it out would be to determine who started shooting at who, or who’s friend/ object. If someone voice chatted a lot and followed someone around they could be “removed”. Ect.
They should make it so that if your rep is negative your position is shown on the map and npcs will actively hunt you down. If your rep gets too low you will be automatically banned from the server.
Jokes aside all the ideas here and the reputation system in general feels like forced player intractability. The game should encourage players to interact through gameplay and how the system works, instead of punishing players for playing the game the way they want maybe some activity or areas should be easier to loot with multiple people making people team up more naturally instead of going “oh you shot a guy? Now all the shop prices are lower, you are being hunted by bullshit npc squads, AND now everyone on the server hates you” You shouldn’t be forced in a corner and told “you need to be nice, no shooting.” its a sandbox game, if I want to throw the sand in another kids face I shouldn’t be thrown out of the sandbox, the other kid should just throw the sand back. If me and the other kid want to build a sand castle we are gonna build one, If we dont we wont and we shouldn’t have to.
in response, i would just like to say that Nelson is trying to make the focus of II PvE instead of PvP, and thats why i wanted NPCs to hunt down players who are KOSing like crazy (-500 rep is hard to get on accident).
The reputation system is incapable of working in any manner without bias, inaccuracy, or loopholes. Therefore the reputation system should be abolished, at least when dealing with other players, as the reputation system doesn’t understand the true nature of morality and human interaction.
I don’t think it ever will.
The only exception to me is faction-oriented reputation.
i got an idea: no artificial reputation system, your reputation spreads by actual rumor and what people say about you within the server. And for NPCs, they have no way of telling whether the people you killed were the aggressors or not, so maybe a few side quests to prove to them youre legit
Okay but first need turn the system of reputation Just! maybe using a Elo system but thinking this way how assistences go work? i believe than that its a bad thing to add.
Yellinmelon in true its easy using 3.0 like reference when kill a bad guy and kill a good guy in one way or another go turn you into a bad guy…
Its quest of time get -500 rep
The reputation system in 3 is pretty broken with a few reasons I will mention at the end as well as my own additions. But as of now, I will talk about your suggestion.
-100 rep is not enough for being shot on sight because with each kill, it’s -25 rep. Not to mention the unknown range and detection the bots are gonna have.
Having bots actually follow you around to kill you requires too much extra coding, not to mention that bots either have aimbot, or horrible aim, which in itself requires intense coding.
Im fine with people having good rep getting Decent discounts
Again, follower bots require a lot of coding not to mention that they will either be an easy target or be a fucking bullet proof wall.
Now, I will mention the exact reasoning behind 3’s shitty rep system.
For someone to be marked as the “aggressor”, he/she has to fire the first shot and that shot has to either HIT or MISS by 4 meters. 4 meters is a horrifying small number to be used as a thershold to determine the aggressor as people could have bad aim. My solution is that if someone aiming right at you and shoots, they are the aggressors. If the shot misses and hits the ground on a 10 meter radius, they are the aggressors. And obviously, if the shot hits, they are the aggressor. If that aggressor is killed, the aggressed will gain +25 rep. And vice versa, if the aggressor wins, they get -25. NOTE: The “aggresor” title will stay with the player for 30 minutes and refreshes whenever they do one of the previously mentioned conditions.
As mentioned previously, melee combat also applies. And to save Nelson from that extra amount of coding, we can simply apply the same thing to melee combat
When the agressed is killed (in 3), the system forgets who that player is and thus, if you revenge-kill them, you are counted as the aggressor. A solution to that is that for every person that kills you, they will be on a list (that list is only for you and your group mates) that lasts for [insert specific time here] or till the server restarts.
As for my own suggestions, they will be the following…
Players with negative to -99 rep will have an increase in price as a fine for the shit they did.
Players with -100~ -299 rep will not be sold anything and no NPC will interact with them
Players with -300~ -399 rep will be aimed at by NPC guards (keeping in mind that they have no health bar) and will be shot as soon as they enter the “Safe Zone” (the NPC area)
Players with -400 rep and below (aka. Assassins) will be on the blacklist. People on the blacklist will have flyers posted on multiple surfaces throughout the map with their names, reps AND LOCATIONS on them. These flyers can be interactable in case of multiple assassins. Now, when I say “Locations” I don’t mean a straightup wallhack for everyone. Here are the conditions:
If the assassin (himself) enters a city, the flyers will include the name of the city.
If the assassin has teammates, their names will also be included in the flyers
If the assassin (himself) exits a city, the flyer will include “last seen in…” with the name of the city.
If a player reaches -100 to -199 rep there will be a bounty on their head, whoever kills them, gets 50% of their rep but as a plus keeping in mind that bandit will get a -5% decrease to their reputation (eg. If with -100 rep and someone kills them, they respawn with -95)
If a player reaches -200 rep or less, their killer will gain 100% of their rep as a plus.
For those good people that share and give, here are my ideas…
Players with 100 ~ 199 rep will get a 30% discount on all items
Players with 200 ~ 299 rep will get a 60% discount
Players with 300 rep and above will get:
Special deals such as rare items that are not even on the buy list (you guys can suggest what can be available. No vehicles tho)
Quests pay 200% more than they originally do
And Parcels openned by these players will have a good chance at spawning Epic loot. (My post on parcels for referance: Random suggestion that won't break the game )
Or they’ll you know, have zero stealth skills and give you away
This also does not include other forms of aggression, like throwables, or vehicular damage.
Though, regarding the actual post
I think no rep system will be perfect. Everything will be no more better than 3.0’s current rep system. I’m sure Nelson will add one (refer to how many people begged for 3.0 to have a rep system like in 2.0) but it will be just as useless. I’m constantly being friendly to everyone ingame - thats literally my playstyle and the only good reason I can continue to play over 5,000 hours.
But I also, paradoxically, have the worst rep on the server - consequently from being very good at PvP. Theres no rep system that can reward people who truly deserve positive rep - so we should either not have one, or have one that gives no effects at all. Seeing all of this discussion and suggesting over the effects is cute and all, but unless we have a perfect system for calculating rep then I don’t want it - and the suggestions rendered useless.
Just in regard to the original post;
the npcs which follow you around or hunt you down is a pretty bad idea. For example a player could just follow the npc hunting you down to kill you. i like the discounts at the liberator though, but that doesn’t reallly affect most maps
