• note, this doesn’t prevent admin abuse, instead, discourages through a simple method
Hello, and welcome to a topic that addresses an issue in the community and is a big problem in 3.x. Which obviously makes people worry about 4.x. As you read the title, this is admin abuse. So here is the thought I had on it. Grab a bite, drink and an open mind to this suggestion.
The Suggestion
So, this is what I had thought of. What if the community had the opportunity to vote or on the server they play/played. This would pretty much work as a reputation system for servers. What this creates is an opportunity for the community to make plainly share whether they are having/had a good experience on a server, or not.
You’d be able to see a number beside the thumbs which would indicate how many thumbs up and how many thumbs down a server had received.
Why is This a Good Idea? ~ (Pros)
Well, I believe this is a good idea (please argue in the comments if you disagree) just for the fact that it allows the community to get a better understanding or a better idea of the server they’re considering joining. As well as share their silent opinion on the server, without having to go into detail why it is a good/bad server.
It will be a pretty great way to filter out servers especially ran by abusive owners and admins. How will it affect them you may ask?
That would be the consequence of being an abusive owner/admin.
What Everyone is thinking (I assume) ~ (Cons)
What’s stopping anyone from just downvoting every server they see on the list?
…Answer: In order to vote in the first place, the player must spend a minimum of “x” amount of hours into the game (or server) to give his/her vote on the server. Whether it’d be upvote or downvote. This will be a way for an experienced player to gain higher trust as well as prevent abuse.
SOLVED(linked with quote below)
What if the… “omg wAt a haxxerr no0b!!!1 bad servr kys” (I’m sorry) type player who joins for 30 minutes, reacts like that, and leaves a salty downvote?
Possible Solutions
Previous Solution
…Answer: The sad truth is, you wouldn’t really be able to do anything about people who react that way and give the server a negative reputation. However, if the server truly is good and it’s just that one person who reacts like that. Then the server either way would still have the many upvotes from people who do enjoy the server, the only difference being the one downvote from the unhappy individuals such as the above example.
Idlers & Bots in server waiting for permission to give rating SOLVED: Anti-afk plugin (kicks after x amount of minutes stood still)
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New Suggestions from Comments
Feedback Box
This could be a good idea perhaps. The suggestion is, being able to leave a short and quick server feedback which would be optional by having it prompt up with the “Exit” menu or by just pressing “Esc”.
For this option to be unlocked, the player would have to spend at least 1h or longer on the server. The feedback box could also have an option to tick a box whether or not they want to give feedback as “Anonymous” or just using their username. This is an addition to the original suggestion I thought of whilst typing it up.
Cooldown Timer for Voting
I just came up with something that could help a bit, I think it would be alright if there was a vote cooldown. As in you vote once and then have to wait let’s say 1 hour (obviously open for change and discussion) until you can vote again.
1-hour sort of makes sense, since you need at least a good hour to try out and spot the issues on the server. That cooldown could sort some issues out.
Making This System a Server Filter
GreatHeroJ's Addition to The Above Suggestion
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Comments
Thanks for taking the time to read this!
Please share your thoughts, opinions, and concerns in the comments on this very commonly spoken of topic.
P.s. I was going to include some kind concept art, however, I don’t belong to the creative type. So if anyone wishes too, feel free to make some concept art and impress everyone.
I wouldn’t mind that actually. I mean yeah a bunch of people could come and afk for 30 mins, but if the server is popular the upvotes would outweigh the downvotes.
I’ll also personally downvote any server that has kit in the name.
There would be more than “just one person.” If someone is kosing in a ghille suit then younger children will get hella triggered. Maybe a button for the experience on the server, like you said, and a button which reports the person to the server owner.
Maybe to fix the kids just joining a server for 30 minutes and then disliking, when setting up the server you could put the option of how many hours on the game are needed for you to give a rating, apart from playing on the server for 30 mins.
Obviously there’d be a selection of hours to choose from, so someone couldn’t just put an impossible number. Maybe the max could be like 300 hours needed.
(This idea would diminish noobs from giving bad reviews and only let experienced players give them)
Yeah, you’re completely right. It won’t just be one person. I was using the 30-minute and 1-hour timer as just placeholder times, but I didn’t address that. Either way, @E.M.C actually improved upon the times I recommended with this
No thanks. That means all I need to do is make a new account, idle for a day and a quarter, and I can submit a +1 on my server and a -1 on competing servers, all for free. Maybe as a 4.0 gold-only feature I could see this working.
Lmao I shitpost and run a TF2 server for a nonexistant living. I’m sure I could squeeze in three or so accounts a week while I sleep, and that’s just running Unturned on my main PC, not my laptops.
If it were a 4.0 premium only feature that wouldn’t necessarily mean those who own premium are the good part of the community. I guess people like you said could make alt-accounts. Thing is, would they really go through the extra trouble just to give a rating? I believe it’s easier to say than actually do. Yeah, that would be a possible thing to do, the thing is. Would anyone care enough to go through the process of making new emails, new accounts, verifying those accounts etc?
but then the kid who joins a pvp server when no ones online(thats popular or something so people play it) builds a base and explores comes back to raided base and gets killed by noob downvotes and makes your server look bad, also then what about the servers that are just bad but then it reflects badly on the owner/admin, AND AND what about the good servers that have a good community and stuff then somehow end up with 1 bad admin then they get downvoted and it looks bad so then even after they get rid of the trashy admin they have a downvote which looks bad
If they have gained enough hours to vote whilst reacting like that. It wouldn’t really matter because…
If the server is bad, then it must mean there is something wrong with it and a reason why people are downvoting it. If the Owner/admins care, they will attempt to recover the player base and improve the server.
Downvotes, as well as upvotes, can be undone. So if the server is good and all of a sudden gets 1 bad admin, the player base will react. The owner/s will react and respond. After people realise, they will come back. As well as give back in return the original upvotes. You could use GTA V as an example. They banned modding temporarily, got massive backlash. Brought back modding and so the reviews got better.
If someone truely enjoys and cares for a server that much, they’ll come back to see what’s new.
Defeating admin abuse requires not a change in the game itself, not official intervention, but merely a change in mentality, a different way of thinking.
While this is rather indirect, it will change how we think about and judge servers in the long run, so I’m up for it. But do remember that you must also change your own mindset completely in order to make a difference.
I think seeing reputation on the server list would make finding decent servers and filtering out bad ones much easier. If admins are abusing on a server, it’ll probably get downvotes. If the admins and playerbase are respectable, It’ll be high up on the server list.
Imagine matchmaking for best possible reputation, ping, and filtering out all the “OP KITS TPA ECONOMY” servers
Unfortunately knowing literally any rating system there will be those annoying people that just downvote you regardless, or rule breakers that you banned.
I’d support this system but the actual implementation of it seems like it’d be rough and not all that useful. I skimmed through the replies a bit earlier today, and don’t believe this has been mentioned, but if a server rating system was implemented it should be like most other rating systems and not actually show a public rating until after a certain amount of votes.
It should also require a certain amount of votes before it can actually show up as “4 stars” (even if all of the five votes it got were 5-star votes). The same would apply to being able to show up as a “5-star server.”
That suggestion aside, I’m unfortunately not going to be able to dig this.
Not going to lie, yeah. This suggestion does bring a few issues, but I believe the pros stand out more.
I just came up with something that could help a bit, I think it would be alright if there was a vote cooldown. As in you vote once and then have to wait let’s say 1 hour (obviously open for change and discussion) until you can vote again.
1-hour sort of makes sense, since you need at least a good hour to try out and spot the issues on the server. That cooldown could sort some issues out.
@MoltonMontro I will agree that there are a few possible issues that this suggestion brings, however as I and a few others suggested. There are methods to minimize the problems. Such as this.
Then there’s what E.M.C suggested
Alongside this, there could be a small feedback box to be able to read short and quick issues people see with the server as well as the good things about the server. There could be a character limit in place with this.
This idea is good, it makes sense and could be part of this.
Overall, I respect your thoughts and doubts about this suggestion. This suggestion is different from others as I think the best way to see whether or not that’ll work is by Nelson testing the community. It could be an experiment. If the reaction is negative with abuse in some way, then it could be removed or possibly improved if there’d be a chance for improvement. If in fact the reaction is positive, and the community doesn’t abuse this suggestion. Then this could work out quite nicely.
This would definitely destroy those servers ratings… But… Sigh I feel like that’d be a bit harsh on those servers. I agree, they’re a living and breeding curse in 3.x. There are however people who somehow enjoy those servers, so perhaps instead they could have their own catagory the same way “Plugins” has it’s own catagory on 3.x. They’re still somewhat part of the community I guess.
Although negative ratings could discourage people creating “OP KITS TPA ECONOMY servers"
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on the server they play/played. This would pretty much work as a reputation system for servers. What this creates is an opportunity for the community to make plainly share whether they are having/had a good experience on a server, or not.
