A warning against 'The Paywall'

Makes a meme vote option then complains when the majority of players pick that option.

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like a fool, another classic blunder

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I wouldā€™ve been very surprised if that little mix-up on the percentage vote was true.

Not to be an ass, but more than half of the 18% against doesnā€™t seem to have posted their opinion on their choice.

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I voted null because paywall won by a landslide already and null seemed like a fun option to pick.

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Those votes are pretty real. Ots that you did a shit job at wording the poll. Instead it should say ā€œpay for official servers, and no official servers /free official servers.ā€

A majority is a majority.

N-Noā€¦ 18% of people who voted said the paywall is unnecessary. You donā€™t need to be a genius to work out that if the 41% of people who voted the null option disagreed with the pay wall, they wouldā€™ve voted for that option instead of the null option. Only 18% of people who voted disagree with a paywall, making it a massive majority in favour of a pay wall.

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The moment I brought civ 6 I got all the dlc, it cost me an extra hundred but I still got itā€¦ augument null.
Also players that have played for a while could buy itā€¦


I bought this. It was a steal.


Also this, years ago.

I would immediately choose to buy DLC.

ā€œThese votes donā€™t show what I want them to show so Imma just do the thingā€
Not how this works Rain, not at all.

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I mean, I bought Knife of Dunwall almost immediately after I got Dishonored, does that count?

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holy shit i love dishonored

too bad high chaos ending is sad

Speaking of which, Iā€™m going to go through the numbers myself here.

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The percentages are 41% for a paywall, 19% against, and 40% undecided.

Letā€™s go along with your reasoning and omit the 40% thatā€™s undecided. You have 60% left.

41/60 = 0.68 = 68% for a paywall

19/60 = 0.31 = 31% against a paywall

Even if you were to omit the null votes, there would still be at least twice as many for the paywall than against it. Donā€™t believe me? Time to pull out more numbers.

For the sake of making this a bit easier, letā€™s assume that thereā€™s 100 votes, and not 101. You have 41% of 100 people, which conveniently is 41 people. Likewise, 19% of 100 is 19 people, with the other 40 people being undecided.

Based on the numbers, you have at least twice as many people voting for a paywall than against, and then some.

The numbers donā€™t lie.

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He should bring up better points, instead of relying on statistics.
Iā€™m against a paywall because

You cannot play on it without paying money
if your friends are poor, you canā€™t play with each other

But really theres a lot of things that support a paywall

  • it gives nelson more money, thatā€™s self exclamatory.

  • You could just play on another server thatā€™s just as good (itā€™s unlikely we will get absolutely 0 vanilla servers once 4.0 comes out)

  • If you do end up paying to play on a specific server, youā€™ll encounter less hackers, and maybe encounter a better community? Which also means encountering un-desireable people (pro players, zergs) might be unlikely if there friends canā€™t play, if you do well, i guess thatā€™s unturned? There could be a solo/duo/trio rule but you can also find pro players and zergs on any other server

Itā€™s not how it works, but it IS how Rain works.

Your not wrong, the game will be survival focused, so more people will be inclined to play it this way.

You know, if you want to avoid troll votes then you donā€™t make a poll that includes a ā€œNullā€ or joke option.

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Really votes shouldnā€™t have anything more then 3 options, and shouldnā€™t have anything less then 1 option.
More then 3 just confuses things, isnā€™t nessecary.
You donā€™t need to have ā€œagreeā€ and ā€œstrongly agreeā€
you can mesh the both into ā€œagreeā€
If your ā€œagreenessā€ varies thatā€™s what the reply buttons for, if you donā€™t like something about a suggestion you could say something about it

I think the issue is that we are going into this discussion assuming that all parties involved (and by this I mean a specific party) are operating on this neat little thing called common sense. If thatā€™s not a factor then thereā€™s really no point in debating.

Rain can continue to live in a fantasy world where heā€™s right and continue to skew and twist data into whatever form he wants and we can continue to get a laugh or move on; preferably the latter; itā€™s better for all of us if there isnā€™t constant drama and arguing, especially when it clearly doesnā€™t get anywhere. Rainā€™s proven he utterly lacks the ability to concede to anything at this point and an argument really doesnā€™t go anywhere while something like that is a factor. Expecting anything different is insanity haveievertoldyouthedefinition

I donā€™t think thereā€™s any reason to keep this thread going, and it truly makes no sense why Rain brought it back when it seems talk has already died (mainly due to a certain someone refusing to acknowledge poll results) and I really donā€™t think thereā€™s room for this thread to grow. Mods pls

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This is exactly true, just ask anyone whoā€™s known rain for atleast some time and theyā€™ll tell you that heā€™s not really all that well at debating. He just kinda stops when people provide valid points, or resorts to adhom (or even blame others for adhom for providing good arguments).

I really donā€™t mean to berate, i donā€™t like calling people out in a place where anyone can see it. But i think we should get this point across to get anywhere. and that somewhere is to close this thread.

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