A warning against 'training' experience over 'base' experience systems

[RainOfPain125]

@RedCo

What, you want a skill for learning how to walk?

crawls

@RedCo

How to breathe?

suffocates

@skoeldis

And I don’t see why you would need to farm skills, they level up as you play the game as it is meant to be played.

Because theres always a bigger fish. If you dont spend time upgrading these skills, someone will and HAS already wasted the time to grind for them so that they can out-compete you in every way.

@skoeldis

I hope there will be some anti “Skill farm” system that restricts you from easily farming up your skills.

That will just push people away from skills entirely. ‘Training’ systems will ALWAYS breed the fastest possible ways to level up, even if they’re tedious, wasteful, and unfun

@skoeldis

I don’t see how you can be so sure about that, just because it’s like that in 3.0 dosen’t mean that 4.0 will have that shitty feature

A lot of Survival games have this feature, and Nelson has not disclosed how skill loss will occur. We can only assume that 4.0 will have all the same features as 3.0 until he specifically says otherwise.

@skoeldis

the only reason why you lose so much in 3.0 is because you can farm up to full skills fast AF.

It costs around 2,500 EXP to level up every single skill. Thats a whole lot of zombies, which I’d say on average give you 5 EXP. You’d have to kill 500 of them without dying once.

@skoeldis

Well sneakybeaky could get leveld up you sneaking around turned (or animals), so if you are close to them and they don’t detect you then you get sneakybeaky XP points.

Thats a lot of grinding I hear

@skoeldis

Warmblooded could get leveld up by you being in cold environment like cold weather, cold climate, cold water and so on…

Thats a lot of grinding I hear

@skoeldis

Immunity could level up when you get sick, infected, get exposed to radiation or toxins… and much more, you are not supposed to level skills up instantly and they should level up over time when you play the game as it is intended to be played.

Thats a lot of grinding I hear

@AstronautPug

let’s say, 2-3 hours?

At this rate, assuming Unturned 4.0 will have the same exact skills, it would take 44-66 hours to max out all 22 skills on a single server. Include skill loss on death and thats something I wouldn’t waste my time on ever in forever - but I’m sure elitists would.

@anon24515308

I suggested Exponential Skills and people did not like that.

When I suggested it some people were confused or indifferent about it, but I don’t recall anyone actually disliking it.

Another little topic that gib peak interest

What would you all think about 4.0 having skills that never have a limit to them? IE, as you level them up they go up exponentially with no limit unlike 3.0’s system where leveling up skills is linear and has a set limit. This could for one, open the doors for wacky game modes that levels up a skill a ton. And of course could also add more to the game, as currently I hate maxing out all of my skills in 3.0 and then I have nothing to do with my excess EXP besides overpaying NPCs for items or shar…

@anon24515308

The skills of 3.X don’t each have to have direct equivalents in the trainable skills of 4.X.

We can only assume that 4.0 will have all the same features as 3.0 until he specifically says otherwise. We assumed it will have guns, vehicles, clouds, terrain, survival, zombies, hunger, thrist, and so on.

@anon24515308

Nelson has additionally expressed interest in a skill tree like that of Path of Exiles, which has purchaseable skills.

In 7D2D

@anon24515308

Clothing and other equipment can give buffs which in 3.X through skills.

in 7D2D, which I am basing most of my ideas on

@anon24515308

A medical/nutrition system could also give said buffs.

in 7D2D, which I am basing most of my ideas on

@anon24515308

As Redcomm pointed out skills could be unlocked through skill sets and skill books.

in 7D2D, which I am basing most of my ideas on