Or ammo should list exactly which guns use it in the description.
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I dont see why we cant have many diffrent calibers and variants of them, that is like saying we can only have red apples in the game but not green and yellow ones because it would be to âComplicatedâ
if people cant figure out how it works when it is this simple then they should not even play games at all and go get some iq instead
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I am selling IQ for facebook likes
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Give me 50 IQ
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I said speculation because thats what I think will be added, and added the suggestions because incase it isnt it should. You are quoting something that doesnt even contribute the original suggestion. Just the point of my thread.
At this point you are just begging to nitpick.
âMilitaryâ would be a buzzword for âQuality, Betterâ. What history are you talking about? You are bringing up useless and irrelevant topics.
We are talking about the modern day history. Do you understand what context is? If someone finds a âMilitary grade rifleâ they wont think of a pistol used in WW1.
Most associations with âMilitary gradeâ would be Quality, stronger, better, etc. Not poor, useless, âfails miserablyâ
What you said there is the same what my suggestion would do⌠Civilian is more common than military.
They âcould get it into their thick skullâ but for most players would be easier to use words instead of numbers for cartiges. The logic you used there is horrible.
The âcommon senseâ card is there because it is common sense⌠Its not âmy opinionâ I already explained this.
Just because I understand it doesnt mean its a better concept. Again horrible logic. With that mindset there would be alot of bad business choices.
This also proves my point that you are nitpicking.
Or you simply dont know what a hyperbole is. There are more than a âcoupleâ.
To suggest a âchangeâ would mean there would be something to change in the first place.
If you are talking about 3.0:
Civilian 9mm
Military 9mm etc.
If you are talking about yours:
Civilian 9mm
Military 9mm etc. Instead of it.
If you are talking about â4.0â
The information regarding it is lacking as i explained from above, so you cannot âchange anythingâ
Like i mentioned in my previous response. âMilitaryâ doesnt mean it has to be used in the military, it just resembles power.
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I donât even know what to tell you.
Letâs put it this way: not only are you being an ignorant boi who thinks that the longer the post, the more right you are; youâre being a stubborn ignorant boi who thinks that the longer the post, the more right you are.
After all, you claimed that
Please tell me you are joking. Because if you think that military doesnât mean âmilitary,â and instead means something along the lines of âpower,â then youâre basically being a mall ninja because you couldnât take the five seconds needed to google what the hell âmilitaryâ means in context.
In addition, you claimed
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You forgot about the L85A1
The AR-18
And letâs not get into the âself-cleaningâ M16A1
Military DOES NOT mean âqualityâ or âbetter,â it just means that it was used by the armed forces of whatever nation the game takes place in.
This quote perfectly summaries the extent of your ignorance. âMilitary gradeâ means that the particular product is tested to conform to military standards. For example, the M1 Garand, referred to by General George S. Patton as âthe greatets fighting implement ever devised.â
So basically, your points and arguments equate to you competing in a schlong measuring contest and asserting your dominance by insisting that millimeters somehow equal inches.
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Exactly my point. It is why it shouldnât exist.
And now youâre trying to defend the point that nothing should change from the already established system.
And there is something wrong with this?
I think inferior equipment is a very relevant topic, unless youâre implying all inferior equipment is suddenly civilian?
Hereâs a good example: The SCAR-L or Mk. 16 (for those educated on the matter).
It was selected in 2004 as the winner of the SOF Combat Assault Rifle program for the SOCOM. The Mk. 16 found the field in 2009, it was later dropped in 2010 due to an inferior performance, as there were better rifles on the market at the time.
Would you still call the Mk. 16 a military rifle?
No, probably not.
And âmilitaryâ rifles today are available for purchase by civilians in countries where they are allowed, Mk. 16 included.
Doesnât make sense, youâre taking these words out of their intended context.
And itâs the same as what the suggestion Iâm attempting to support would do, 9x19, 9x18, .22 LR, etc would be much easier to find than a rifle round, as these are mass produced due to the fact that people enjoy using them to shoot targets at the range.
Itâs really dependent on the country which youâre in and their stance on gun laws & foreign trade, beyond that itâs police & military spending.
Implying the playerbase is stupid.
The playerbase is not stupid. And if they are this system is a win-win because it deters stupid people.
Common sense IS opinion, not fact.
Perspective is not absolute.
You do not know that other people know these things just from common knowledge of the topic unless youâre the hive-mind that is illogical people (/s on the last statement, people arenât hive-minds; they just act similar).
If common sense existed: conflict wouldnât.
I guess common sense isnât so common after all, then?
It might even not exist.
Itâs PROBABLY (/s) because common sense is an excuse for saying âI am wrong.â
Do you have any idea why products which require to be set up come with instructions?
Because the developers donât expect people to know how to use them.
Do you know why games come with tutorials?
Because the developers donât expect people to know how to play them.
If you havenât noticed: Unturned IIâs tutorial is the same, its tutorial starts with the absolute basics: how to walk.
It goes through every aspect of playing the game (almost).
Why wouldnât it teach you about different kinds of bullets too?
Oh, of course there are more than a couple cartridges.
Thatâs probably because couple was referring to a couple hundred.
But most of them arenât used in the most common firearms which would likely be included in Unturned, do you seriously expect Nelson to pump out 100+ cartridges for us?
No, you didnât.
But this doesnât justify simplifying the system to the point where individual round dimensions couldnât make the impact Iâd like them to make in Unturned.
Do you know what a hyperbole is?
So you're implying there's nothing to change and the system I desire is already in place?
Thatâs bullshit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUzrsxZOLxs
What is: rifle cartridge?
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jesus christ this thread is a fucking train wreck
Where do you get the information that âI think the longer the post the more right I amâ? Ignorant assumption.
I never said âMilitary doesnât mean militaryâ. I said it resembles power. Is it that hard to read the sentance properly?
Again, I said MOST. I literally specified it all in my previous comment. Nobody associates the military with âpoor, weak, unreliableâ. The military wouldnt use mostly âpoor, weak and unreliableâ because thats counter intuitive.
I know what âMilitary gradeâ means. I dont want to repeat myself 100 times. Read the above. In the context of military we are talking about modern military, not the military from WW1 etc. its not that hard to understand.
And George said that, because DURING HIS TIME, it was a good weapon. The weapon today is outdated and outmatched, with alot of better alternatives. Thats why the Military doesnt use it.
This is dumb.
- Lock it, the discussion can only devolve and become more nitpicky
- Dont lock it, the discussion is coming to a resolution
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Leave it. This is getting interesting. Besides, i need something interesting to please me while im at a pep rally
No it isnât. Redcomm and LeMaKoTi are arguing over the most pointless and nitpicky shit I think Iâve seen on these forums, and itâs gotten fairly toxic at that. It isnât constructive. I think everyone has made their views quite clear on the topic, why not lock it?
@MoltonMontro or @Yarrrr you might want to look into locking the topic.
It shouldnt exist because I suggested it? What âalready established systemâ are you reffering to?
Yes there is something wrong with nitpicking. Its a waste of time, and doesnt contribute to anything.
As mentioned before:
Pistols,Smgs, etc. CIVILAIN
Assault rifles, DMRS, etc MILITARY
I never claimed otherwise, also what am i taking out of context exactly?
Ok so its the same thing.
How am I âImplying the playerbase is stupidâ. You are simply lying now. Stupidy isnt determaned by how well you read numbers and memorise them In a video game. Just because something is simpler doesnt mean it is âstupidâ. It doesnt deter stupid people, and detering âstupid peopleâ is not always good.
I dont want to repeat myself, because this will go in a circle. Same thing I said before.
Adding tons of instructions and tutorials for every thing is never good. âThere are not âhundreds of cartridgesâ in the world. Only a coupleâ Now you are saying couple referred to âa couple hundredâ which is exactly what I said in the beggining. I dont expect 100 and dont want, but i got the impression you do, which is what i said previously. Yes I do know what a âhyperboleâ is. I dont know why you would ask me that anyways.
I said there is NOTHING TO CHANGE. NOT that your system is in place. Did you read my sentance?
âTo suggest a âchangeâ would mean there would be something to change in the first place.â
But there isnt anything to change in the first place.
You sending fortnite dances wont make your argument any better. You dabbing and dancing fortnite dances might be funny to your friends but you can keep it out of here because there is no place for it here.
Funny coming from someone who canât tell the difference between 19 and 39.
Youâre making your posts longer and repeating the same arguments over and over again in the hopes that the same point multiple times means a better argument. And before you say no, youâre literally just going through a thesaurus looking up synonyms.
No, you didnât. You said military meant âqualityâ or âbetter.â Which is saying that military means âqualityâ or âbetter,â rather than, you know, being used by the military.
People do counterintuitive things. Including you. And yes, the military would use poor, weak, and unreliable weapons because of sheer stupitidy. My apologies, I clearly didnât narrow down my previous post so that your mind can wrap itself around it. Consider this my apology.
The British L85A1. A horrible assault rifle with a back-heavy receiver, was not ambidextrous, performed horribly in any environment other than an office cubicle, not to mention the plastic often cracked in cold temperatures and the original magazines could easily be bent. And letâs not even talk about how the magazine release could accidently be triggered.
Next, letâs move onto the American M16A1. Vietnam War troops publicly stated that this thing was a piece of shit, and everyone agreed. It was a bureacratic horror story. The decision was made to replace the IMR powder the cartridge was designed for with standard 7.62 ball powder, which was the majority of the problem. The rifle would often jam because the chamber was not chrome-plated, there were problems with failing to extract due to the bolt unlocking sooner, barrel fouling due to the corrosive nature of the powder, the chamber itself being corroded, which left the entire rifle useless no matter how clean it was, misfires as a consequence of the overall higher cyclic rateâŚwhy am I saying this, itâs not like youâll understand a word of what Iâm saying. And keep in mind that this rifle was marketed as âself-cleaningâ and accepted by the U.S Army as âa perfect weapon for the jungles of Vietnam.â
No, no it doesnât! The context of âmilitary-gradeâ doesnât matter if there are better contemporaries, itâs still military-grade. Itâs not that hard to understand. If it met the requirements before, then itâs still military grade.
You claimed that
Even though you specifically stated that
With the MP5 and the Beretta both being high-tier military-grade weapons, isnât there something wrong here?
Most of the playerbase is stupid and canât tell the difference between 19 and 39 even if the answer was right in front of their face.
No, @Number_one did not say that. He said that although there are hundreds of cartridges in the world, there are only a couple relevant ones that need to be implemented.
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Like i said before, I know to diferentiate cartridges. Just because I know doesnt mean its the better option. This is possibly the third time i am saying this.
I am not âmaking my posts longerâ it just ends up like that. The reason why i ârepeat myselfâ is because you keep making up what i said. I wouldnt want to waste my time purpusfully increasing my posts. You say that as you make three pagaraphs explaining why some perticulary weapons were poor, which I never denied. âThe long postâ arguement is pretty bad considering all of our posts are long. Including Number_one. Its also besides the point. Just because I said a couple of assotiations im going trough a thesaurus?
Again⌠I did NOT say the military MEANT quality or better. I said its an ASSOTIATION. BIG diference.
I said âThe military wouldnt use MOSTLY poor weaponsâ MOSTLY. And that is true. A majority of the weapons
in the military arent POOR.
I know what MILITARY GRADE means. I never CLAIMED it wasnt MILITARY GRADE. But there are BETTER ALTERNATIVES so the MILITARY REPLACED it.
The âI never claimed otherwiseâ was referring to civilians being able to purchase some military rifles. Not the division.
I know the MP5 and Berreta are high tier military grade weapons. But they are pistols and smgs, so they would use âCivilianâ version of the cartridge.
I know that Number_one did not say that. I know what he said. I never claimed he said he wanted alot of cartridges in the game. I said I was assuming. 2 replies ago.
The quote you used wasnt directed to you. It was directed to âTophatPeskyâ
Yeah. Iâll say you did say military means quality or better.
In fact, basically your entire point is made up of buzzwords. Youâre claiming that you know a lot about something which you clearly donât in an attempt to impress us and yourself by using words that you clearly donât understand the meaning of.
You do now? Oh, isnât that a surprise?
Then do tell me, whatâs the difference between 9Ă17mm Browning
And .380 ACP?
9x17mm Browning is Gold, and the .380 ACP is gray.
(I would give a valid explanation, but im on a school computer, and it has the ability to track my browsing history, potentially getting me expelled or worseâŚ)
Hereâs the first result for ânitpicking definitionâ.
I am not nitpicking, every detail I list is important to me, the details which are seemingly off-topic are scrutinizing your perspective on the issue and the basis of your perspective.
You state that
Excuse the partial inaccuracies in the example below, but the point should be clear.
The one on the left is a pistol cartridge.
The one of the right is a rifle cartridge.
You say the one on the left is a civilian cartridge.
You say the one on the right is a military cartridge.
There is also no such thing as a military or civilian rifle by the terms which you describe them, I and another person had dispelled this fiction a few posts ago. Or rather: try to. But you like going in circles so nothing has changed.
What is?
No, if itâs about the rifles you CANNOT fit a 7.62x51 NATO round into a 7.62x17 pistol.
Another quickly looked up âstupidity definitionâ.
Any of these terms ring a bell?
Itâs going in a circle not because Iâm going in a circle but because youâre going in a circle.
You do not take my perspective seriously and you prefer to stick to yours because you donât like conforming to other peopleâs ideas or even taking them into consideration.
Unless youâre meaning to say that you do not want to change anything, in which case you do a really bad job at it.
Adding tons of instructions and tutorials for everything is always good, ever heard of school?
If you did: you should know lots of instructions and tutorials for everything is always good. You can never have enough information.
Alright, what Iâm trying to say about hundreds of cartridges is: âNelson will only add a few so your argument is invalid.â and âYour analysis is incorrect.â
The problem here is: you want too little ammunition for my tastes, I like my variety and for that variety to impact gameplay appropriately.
You didnât use the term âhyperboleâ correctly.
Hereâs ANOTHER quickly looked up definition.
The only reason there would be nothing to change is because the system is in place, if itâs not then there is something to change.
The only thing I can collect from this statement is that you support the addition of the suggestion but you donât know enough about English to communicate it properly.
If you donât get the last quote I added there, itâs because you change the meaning of your statement enough for it to notably deviate from your original standpoint, yet you still guard that standpoint as though you still repeat it.
The joke is youâre a fucking moron.