Follow up on my generated guns concept for unturned II

[Joostdemen]

Sure buddy

[anon67155151]

https://blog.smartlydressedgames.com/unturned-4-x-devlog-001/

" I want 4.x to be more geared toward survival and PvE than the average 3.x server (PvP) so this may seem counter-intuitive, but I think these are some of the core complex features of the game that everything else is built upon."

[Joostdemen]

I dont see hardcore realistic shooter in there? Edit: i mean hardcore realism centric survival game

[GreatHeroJ]

I said nothing about Unturned II being a shooter FYI.

[Joostdemen]

Yeah already edited

[GreatHeroJ]

Proof #1

Proof #2 (See Nelson’s reply to my comment)

It's been like a month since the December blog post! Where's the next one?

Sounds exciting - take all the time you need. I’d much rather wait another year for an awesome game than wait a month for a rushed one. Also, on the recent emergence of this topic - it has been roughly established that 4.0 will be more hardcore in terms of survival mechanics, immersion, and overall game difficulty. I’d just like to say that no matter how many complaints you may hear out there, most of us regulars would definitely love to see 4.0 become the most hardcore iteration of the game. I…

Proof #3 (Nelson in response to a hyperrealistic gun related suggestion

A 4.0 Ammo and Ballistics Concept

Lots of detailed info here! Saving a link to refer to later. Zeroing scopes will guaranteed be in the game, not sure about the Coriolis effect and Magnus effect - since they add so much extra complexity they might be confusing like “Unturned is broken the bullets sometimes don’t act predictably”. I like the idea of the realistic scope distances, might be tricky with different FoV but I think the scopes might use primitive line drawing rather than images for the reticules to make …

Proof #4

Proof #5 (The various other people who have cited Unturned II as being hardcore survival, though I am of course a primary advocate)
https://forum.smartlydressedgames.com/search?q=hardcore%20survival

Proof #6 (more citations)

Phones?

I like the idea of a phone as a multitool ( Flashlight, camera, notes, etc), but working internet and calling/texting would take up too much time and effort for a gimmick, especially one so out of touch with 4.0’s roots as a hardcore survival game.

Random suggestion that won't break the game

4.x is a hardcore survival What’s “hardcore” and “survival” about wanting to sit by a fire and relax in a tent?

I could find a lot more.

[n3rfcr4zy5]

On top of everything GHJ said, the fact that Nelson also said “Realism for the sake of realism is bad” gives insight into the fact that Nelson wants the game to be more realistic. The quote in question is just a caveat that he set in place to that people don’t exactly go super hardcore realism simulator XXX.

[anon67155151]

I dont see mixing and matching random guns that are not compatible in any way shape or form, which doesnt make the game more interesting and instead takes all the reward and interest that comes from finding valuable and good guns, while also dumbing down gameplay and gunplay as there WILL always be a meta gun combination that is stronger than other combinations, instead of the inherent balance that would come with having guns be standalone, letting balancing work well. It would also make guns feel unique, which your idea, ironically does the exact opposite of as no guns matter, only their parts. The name combonations would also be godawful because most gun names dont have the classic two name combonation. In general bad idea that throws balance and fun gunplay out of the window by watering down all guns into a combination of parts that are meant to be swapped around, while also butchering any kind of desire for realism, which i personally dont really care to much about but hey whatever

edit this is really rambly sorry lol

[m4djoker]

@GreatHeroJ

If that’s the case, why did it take so long for this to be mentioned? And why are the examples exclusively about real, military-grade firearms that don’t work that way?

Well this would not be the main thing I think, plus the guy said that it was something made on rush. I even said that I think that the modles which he proposed are not the best but it’s the idea behind it that matters.

@GreatHeroJ

What you’re describing is an incredibly ghetto process, and the end result may not even fire correctly. Plus, the whole point of the current system is to stop people like you from modding a Grizzly to literally any caliber and magically having ammo forever, even when the proper ammo for it is scarce like it actually would be.

Now what’s a ghetto process, never heard of those o.O
Also important to mention, is that rifles that can use multiple calibers are a real thing. Ok maybe you won’t be able to use both 9mm and .50 cal with the same gun, but the entire thing is more then possible.

And anyway, who said that the whole point of the new process is to stop “people like me”, I thought it was the simpliest way to improve realism, that is actually one of the key features needed if you also want to improve a games immersion, and that’s Nelsons goal about UII.

@n3rfcr4zy5

I really don’t see how randomization resulting in “more” (but not actually more) guns would therefore increase the game’s longevity.

Cus it will be actually your first “more”, meaning that if you could combine most of your weapons to create new ones, the available ones would be more (so variety).

@n3rfcr4zy5

Besides, there’s no known lore about the whole outbreak in UII, so it’s hard to suggest that the world will be “super apocalyptic” or just a few weeks after whatever world ending even happened, thus rendering the guns being “normal”.

You are right about this, but it is assumed that the story starts from where it left off, since UII is actually the sequel to UI, so the story is expected to continue (and the last time the world was more then a mess). But it could easily be a new story in which the infection has just spread so you’re right we can’t know for sure.

@n3rfcr4zy5

It’s much more likely that people would figure out how to create their own guns rather than just mashing existing gun parts together to see what works.

Well if in front of me I had a stack of metal, tape and forging materials, and on the other some evidently broken rifles, I would totally try to fix those for sure, maybe even trying to swap parts. It’s way more convinient that taking random materials and try to make a gun out of it, and here comes realism again.

[n3rfcr4zy5]

@m4djoker

it is assumed that the story starts from where it left off, since UII is actually the sequel to UI, so the story is expected to continue (and the last time the world was more then a mess). But it could easily be a new story in which the infection has just spread so you’re right we can’t know for sure.

Nothing is assumed. Just because the game is a “sequel” does not directly mean the stories are linear, or even parallel. Current 3.x enemies are referred to as “zombies”, but UII refers to them as “Turned”. For all we know, the two timelines can be vastly different.

[Sirba]

You might wanna grab one of these to get your idea going.

[Burger_Time]

Holy molly, you turned this post into a dumpster in less a hour!

[GreatHeroJ]

All crew abandon ship. This thread is going down!

I still don’t see how RNG would make this fun or balanced. In the end I don’t see it feasibly happening either.

That’s my 2 cents, back to work on Yarr’s dungeon other projects

[m4djoker]

@n3rfcr4zy5

Nothing is assumed. Just because the game is a “sequel” does not directly mean the stories are linear, or even parallel. Current 3.x enemies are referred to as “zombies”, but UII refers to them as “Turned”. For all we know, the two timelines can be vastly different.

Well since ever if you add a bigger numer to the same title of something you made, then it will mean that the new thing will most likely be a sequel of it, so assuming such thing even in unturned is more then legit. I mean find me some examples where the second episode of (insert name) talked actually of a brand new story. Maybe you will even find such proof but it’s an unlikely thing to happend.

Also the turned thing came out kinda recently but since it’s one of the central cores of the game (what caused the situation you’re living into) then I think that or he came up with it recently, or idk why keep the secret especially when any progress was shown? Turned could “just” be a mutation of the regular zombies for what we know.

[m4djoker]

@GreatHeroJ

All crew abandon ship. This thread is going down!

I still don’t see how RNG would make this fun or balanced. In the end I don’t see it feasibly happening either.

That’s my 2 cents, back to work on Yarr’s dungeon other projects

I don’t see how discussing a topic that seems interesting to more then a few people could be seen as a bad thing, especially if the civil level is good.

[Yarrrr]

You scums can’t decide if a ship is going down

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This idea is better used in some battle royale game, where RNG will screw you over more than in a survival game.

This is pretty much the same as infinite randomly generated maps. It’s uncreative

[Peedeoo7]

Personaly the closest thing i want to this is advanced makeshift gun makeing.

Anyone with me?

[Joostdemen]

Keeping civil is hard for people who take themself to serious

[Yarrrr]

You’re on the right idea lad

[m4djoker]

@Yarrrr

This is pretty much the same as infinite randomly generated maps. It’s uncreative

In this case weapons would be placed with sense from the editor and not by pushing a button to self generate things, plus the entire mechanic would be overthought ofc and not just thrown in so I gotta disagree with you on this.