It’s strange how controversial things like guns get people into long arguments more than things like windshields and passing lanes.
im pretty sure everyone cares about the guns more
Technically, it was, because most soldiers, even in the U.S. special forces don’t always get to carry around both a long arm and sidearm at the same time. However, the bulk and weight of the weapon, compared to other pistols was not appreciated, because the only times special forces operators would actually carry the pistol were (a.) when they weren’t expecting to actually need to use small arms (b.) when space and weight are at a premium (c.) when concealability is a concern and (d.) when another weapon was carried and the offensive handgun was being pressed into the role of a sidearm.
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“What are slings/PCCs”
Too weak to deal with cover and/or body armour, yes.
Even with specialized platforms pistols will never be able to achieve the same ballistics a rifle will.
That does not make them flat out better in every scenario, stop acting like it does.
What are gun/vehicle crews. What are MPs.
Again the scenario youuse is heavily reliant on every other particpant using rilfes, in which case yes a pistol will more than likely not be adequate.
“What is open carry”. alo congrats you have just proven my point about rilfes being objectiveky superior (CCW, EDC).
Okay, got me there. Offensive handgun, not strictly as a primary. Still, it was meant to be just as capable as most “primary” wepaons at that time. Check Ians video about the topic, he does a better job to explain it than I ever could.
And no
it is not about the difference between SOF and the regualr army, it is about your objectively wrong idea about pistols always being inferior to longguns.
Ok rifles were made for long distance firefights, while pistols were made for close quarters. Having a pistol in a close quarter fight would beat a rifle. Pistol calibers beside .22 are very effective in taking down targets close to you. You wouldn’t take a rifle to a close quarters fight and you wouldn’t take a pistol to a longer range firefight. So basically pistols aren’t useless. I wish in 4.0 that pistols are more powerful and actually do more damage.
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It does.
And there is no military crews that operate only with pistols.
The point of concealed carry is so possible threats dont know you can harm them… coming in a shop with an assault rifle around you makes other potential threqts know you can harm them and generally makes people thing you are about to rob the place.
Pretty sure he uses google translate and meant draw
Except that isnt really true. Pistols and rifles have early roots and were just made as weapons. It wouldnt beat a rifle because pistols bullets travel more slowely, are smaller and aiming with an assault rifle is more study and percise. And like you said about calibers, rifles generally have bigger calibers than pistols aswell.
Pistols arent useless, but they arent better than assault rifles. There are ways they will be inplemented in Unturned 4.0 which will make them come in handy.
Who are you suspecting of making a writing mistake?
You’ve got to be kidding me.
Alright, so it’s confirmed, LeMaKoTi says assault rifles are better than pistols in every way.
It absolutely is.
Yeah, your point is?
Bullet velocity has nothing to do with anything but long-range firefights. A slower bullet will kill as easy as a fast one. If anything, a slower bullet would do more damage, whereas a faster one would just go right through.
I mean, yeah, a smaller bullet would do less damage. But they also travel way faster than larger bullets. Kinda shows you don’t actually know much about guns.
Doesn’t matter in a CQC situation, which pistols excel at.
Caliber is bullet size. Are you repeating yourself saying rifles have big bullets and pistols have small ones, or do you just not know what caliber is and assumed bigger is better? Because that’s what it looks like to me.
Why is it so hard for you to understand this? In some ways in some situations they aren’t, in some other ways and other situations they are.
Yeah.
Like my balancing suggestion.
Geez dude, quit being so aggressive all the time!
SMGs/PCCs or automatic pistols with braces are for all inetnts and purposes pistols.
And there certainly are crews that are issued those. Do you really think every vehicle crew lugs around ful-lsized rifles? Come on my dude.
Also, stopping power is not everything. You can have all the stopping power in the world but that does not mean jack if you can’t bring it to brear (read: can’t carry it because of space limitations).
But yeah, at least you got the conceal-carry part correct so congrats, you have just disporven your own point, again.
Yep in combat.
The person I was responding to said that pistols were made for close combat and rifles for long, thats why I said that. Pay attention, the point was that wasnt correct.
A faster bullet does more damage… ripping straight trough your flesh and exiting trough the other side makes bigger damage. It can also penetrate trough certain body armour which most pistols cannot.
Smaller bullets dont necessarily travel faster… rifles fire bigger bullets that are faster than smaller pistol ones… bullet speed isnt determanted only by the size. That is incorrect.
Okay be right back, let me just call every counter terrorism unit and tell them you discovered that pistols are better at close combat and that they should replace their rifles with pistols when they engage combat…
Pistols arent better at close combat than rifles.
I know that caliber is bullet size… read the comment I was responding to before making crazy assumptions.
In combat they arent better in any way.
They can be useful, doesnt mean they have to be more powerful than rifles.
And that last part was literally just a question… I didnt know who AJ was talking about…
SMG’s arent the same as pistols…
Its in the name… they operate vehicles, and if the vehicles arent combat related they will have rifles nearby
How is concealed carry in any way related to combat?
Hmmmm are SMGs the surpior type of firearm comparing to rifles and pistols. (For cqc of course)
Usually thats how its depicted in video games and in real life they dont fire as far as some rifles do, so I think they should still be the fast firing close combat option in unturned II
Vehicles crews are more often than not issued full size rifles. Period. Even if infatry is nearby (which is liekly) they can’t just walk over there and nick their rifles.
You must be joking. You carry with the intention of defending either yourself or others. That is a form of combat my dude. Is it a military confilct? No, probably not. Does that invalidate my point? No, not at all.
(Full size) Rifles are not flat out superior to pistols.
That’s debatable, but yeah, alright.
Yeah, and a slow one stays inside and screws up your insides.
But i thought you said pistols are worse than rifles in every way? The FN Five-seveN has great armor piercing capabilities, for instance.
Smaller = less air resistance?
What, that’s your argument point? “Small bullets aren’t faster, rifles fire bigger faster ones!”
Yeah, it is. It’s not the only determinating factor, but it’s a big one.
Mk.
Proof? Have you used one? In close quarters? What about a rifle? Look, dude, you can’t just say “this is better, i’m right.” Why should i trust you? What makes you so confident?
You’re just going deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole, ain’tcha?
So you can hide a pistol, and can’t hide a rifle? Huh, look at that, one thing pistols are better at than rifles. Hiding. Really dude?
Why would it matter? That was a pointless comment, you look like you’re going at anyone’s neck you can find.
Speaking of bullets would sniper bullets in 4.0 have less bullet drop because there’s more gunpowder packed in the case?
They still dont operate only with pistols, and some have rifles aswell depending on their vehicles and jobs.
Carrying a weapon isnt combat related. Im talking about firing the gun. As if 2 people were in COMBAT.
They are in combat
I see a guy with a rifle slaughter another man in front of my eyes.
He looks to me, and can’t see my conceal carry pistol, and tries to leave.
When he turns his back, i take out my pistol and shoot him dead.
Seems like a combat advantage to me.