The bullet that stays inside is less of a wound because it can be removed and you can stay well longer than having a literal hole trough your organs.
That doesnt make them better… the rifle can still do a better job.
My point is that bullet speed isnt only determaned by bullet sized, but rather how powerful the gun fires it, which is a much bigger factor than size. Thats why rifles fire bigger bullets faster.
The counter terrorism thing was telling you that every counter terrorism unit uses rifles… they dont use pistols even if they claim that they are “superior in close quarters combat”
Yes they are better at concealing them, but that isnt directly combat related.
I could have made a typo and made my sentance sound completely different, which I doubt so I simply asked who is he suspecting
Yeah, and those nasties on the bullet pass right on through rather than staying in the wound and giving you an infection.
What? You just said they would do less damage, and now you’re saying that doesn’t make them better? Yeah, that’s basic logic dude.
Guns don’t fire bullets in any more powerful ways. Unless maybe you refer to the rifling, which only aids in accuracy and will have no discernible effect in damage.
What is why? You didn’t explain it, you just stated it. “Rifles shoot bullets faster, that’s why big bullets are faster!”
Yeah, no, i’m pretty sure they do.
It would have said if he was replying to you. If it didn’t, he wasn’t. If he didn’t reply to anyone and therefor nobody has any idea who he’s talking to, that’s his mistake.
You sure are making a lot of rules as to what makes rifles better. It’s almost as if you make something up whenever anyone corners you in the argument!
Really not how this works. You do not want your rounds to icepick, you want them to depotti as much of their energy into the target as possible, wether that is trhough frgamentation, shick or spalling/tumbling.
Velocity is certianly a factor, but so is the penetrator itself.
Mostly correct. A bullet with a smaller diamter will probybly trave faster if acted upon by the same force as a larger one but I’ll give you this one.
Again, partly correct. You can come quite close to standrad rilfe loads with hot pistol ammo.
Well, suddenly you do know ballistics. Odd.
In CQC they won’t use full sized rifles but rather carbines or even SMGs/PDWs.
Again, factaully wrong. If the space is limited and the distance of engagment is very short there is no reason to take anythign other than a pistol. If igiven the chpoice taken anything else would just be stupid.
They very much do. Granted actual pistols are rare these days, it is mostly PCCS/SMGs/PDWs and if they need to enage in direct combat with any firearm they done fucked up.
You carry a wepaon to prepare for combat. Wether you inetdn to sue it to shoot soemone, show force to deterr potential agressors or whatever does not matter, at the end of the day that is why you carry.
Lmao, massive lmao. If the bullet managed to stay inside you that means it expended all it’s energy and may even fragment. That is basiclaly always worse than a clean shot through tissue.
Much of it is down to the poweder (amount/type), barrel lenght and mode of operation. Yes, generally speaking rifle bullets go faster. No, rilfe bullets are not always bigger. Take for example the very common (rilfe) caliber of 5.56 verus 9mm or even .45, both of which are bigger than the rilfe round and all three are incredibly common.
Again, if they go in with the intention of engagin in QCQ they won’t take full size rilfles but rather carbines or SMGs.
For most military applciations it is not, true. For civillians it very much is.
He shot a guy, that is combat., Now he did not happen to shot you, but that still does not mean he is not going to nor should you feel bad for ending the threat.
I dont see how someone developing an infection later on will help you in combat rather then a hole trough his body, and having a hole in your body can also cause infections.
I was referring to the pistols. Rifles still penetrate more than pistols.
Yes, they do, some guns discharge weaker, some stronger.
And I just told you why.
No counter terrorism unit goes into combat with pistols out… this is just a fact. They dont use them when engaging combat.
Im not making any rules, you just have to understand that shooting someone in the back isnt combat.
It’s not just about the infection. Very often when bullets fully penetrate, the person receiving the bullet has no idea he was shot and will continue fighting at 100% efficiency until the adrenaline wears off and the blood loss becomes serious, which will take a while. Blood doesn’t flow out in a waterfall like the movies. However, a hot chunk of lead sticking inside will not only hurt but feel awful. You’ll wince, maybe drop your gun, the weak may even pass out from the pain.
Once again, proof please. You’re just stating random facts with no evidence, you look like a moron.
Please, explain how they do.
Ah, mhm, yes, i see…/s
Dude, seriously, give proof. You have no idea if they do or not. Please, stop just stating what you think as facts.
I’d like to just say that when i googled videos of counter-terrorists using pistols all i got was crap about CS:GO. It’s rare i’m completely disappointed in the gamer society, but geez…
If you are shot trough your orgsns you will definately feel that, and if you are shoot trough your blood vessles, some in perticular, blood will pour.
Bullet size and velocity, you dont have to call me a moron, now I am disapointed.
Rifles discharge bullets more powerfully thus makint the bullets travel faster. What do you need me to explain?
Im not thinking and saying that as a fact. Research about counter terrorism units if you dont believe me so much and you will find out that none use pistols while engaging combat.
Bullets can’t take life away. The repercussions do. A clean, five milimeter hole won’t do anything in a firefight unless it hits critical spots IE arteries, heart, brain. Blunt force destroys innards. If you get hit in the head in real life by a bullet, no matter the size or type, you’re done for. You either have a massive concussion and are out for the count, or your brain was literally reduced to a mash. On the other hand, ever heard of the guy who survived a lead pipe to the brain? Extreme example, i know, but my point stands.
When a bullet goes right through, only a small amount of energy from the bullet was spent going through you. When a bullet stops, all that energy, that energy that made it faster then the speed of sound, just got put right on your chest. It’s basic physics.
Yes. Do that.
This makes it obvious you’ve never even seen a gun before in real life and all your knowledge is based off video games. Sad.
No, you won’t. Adrenaline suppresses an amazing amount of pain, and a clean hole doesn’t cause that much anyway.
Lemme use your own words.
Yeah, hitting an artery will make blood pour. How does that make rifles better?
How do they discharge it more powerfully?! What do they do different than pistols?!?!?
While a wide variety of weapons are used by SWAT teams, the most common weapons include submachine guns, carbines, assault rifles, shotguns, and sniper rifles.
They have better alternatives, what do you want me to say? Not better in every way, as you say, but instead of rifle+pistol they have rifle+SMG or just an SMG.
Icpeicking will not quickly kill you, fragemntation/blunt force will.
Again no, if they know they are ging to be in CQC they do not take full size rifles. Hell, they very seldom do.
These are by no means exceptions. I would not xpect you to knwo that tho, as you have proven to be very uniformed in the matter.
You can change the defintion all you want. Him not being aware of the fact that you are armed does not change the fact that if either one shoot the other this constitutes combat.
No, so much no. You can sirvive mutliple gunshots in the chest just fine. So long as your lung does not immediately collapse, you hit the spine (central nervous system) or you basically destroy his heart he will very much keep cming at you.
Have a look at this footage (WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT). They guy gets lit up, continues fighting. Passes out, some time later gets back up and then starts fighting again. Guess you’ll have ot tell him that eh canÄt do that. There are many many more exmaples of this, this is just the most recent and most extreme case I could find to illustarte my point.
I can see why he would call you that, you are acting liek one.
Again, not alwas the case. The actual discharge is not the only important factor, the bullet itself and the barrel lenght alos are.
Not a sprimaries, not. But they do not use full size riles either. Mostly carbines really.
Again, not always. SMGs are arguably closer to pistols than full size rifles.
No, they use varbines or SMGs, not rilfes.
This is going to be my last reply to you i here, we have derialed enough., If you still think yiu are in the right, shoot me a message. I’d be more than willing to prove you wrong.
I like how you just continue your spiel and don’t address the problems with your side of the argument.
No they don’t.
I’m gonna assume this is sarcasm, because if not…well, i’d have some far more “offensive” things to say to you then just “sad moron”
Ahaha, you’re one of the people who think insults are pointless in arguments? Sometimes one guy needs to have his self-esteem and pride lowered a little to understand the other side.
We’re talking pure damage to flesh and bone and pain from that. Pistols will put a hole in your lungs just the same!
Yeah, most blood loss. Obviously a bursted artery will make you bleed out quick. Again, pistols are no different from rifles here. If anything they’re better because they’re slower and get stuck inside with all that momentum tearing the artery apart rather than just soaring through.
I have told you and gave you information, its your fault if you are too stubborn to understand they use rifles.
And yes, they are exceptions, rifles generally fire bigger bullets than pistols, but there are a few pistols such as some revolvers who fire bigger bullets than some rifles, but not all.
Im not changing the definition… the definition is fighting between 2 armed forces, only 1 was.
I said you can feel that, I never said you couldnt survive it, read carefully.
Again you are being a hypocrite
I gave you proper information, your choice to reject it. They use rifles.
You said they use rifles. You gave no proof. He just doesn’t believe you, and is obviously very well informed.
So what’s the point? You’re acting like all that, arterys bursting and what not, make rifles better, now you say he’ll probably survive and it won’t matter?
No proof. Just stating facts you believe are true.