One-time purchase for a permanent unlock = OK
One-time purchase for a permanent kit = OK
One-time purchase for a permanent rank = OK
One-time purchase for a permanent benefit = OK
Repeatable purchase $1 for 1 Eaglefire = BAD
Repeatable purchase $1 for 1 Fighter Jet = BAD
Repeatable purchase $1 for 1000 XP = BAD
Repeatable purchase $1 for 1000 Server Bucks = BAD
I feel it would be hypocritical to regulate server hosting until SDG (eventually) hosts official vanilla servers, but in the meantime I think it would be reasonable to ban the purchase of individual in-game items because it would not impact any existing server’s customers. To clarify:
Cosmetic perks, and perks like additional vault space would be unaffected.
New sales of in-game items for real money would not be allowed. For example in-game item shops selling guns and ammo for real money.
Servers continuing to sell in-game items for real money would be removed from the server list after a warning.
Minor note that RFC refers to “request for comment”. Feel free to share with anyone you feel has a relevant opinion, or to ask for additional clarity.
I would be okay with hiding them by default (much like 24+ slot servers).
Completely hiding them would not be okay. On a side note I do not think anybody, not even SDG, should have any say in how people run their servers.
Well a certain individual we all know would definitely support parts of this.
Just looking at the two bullet points:
I can see kits pretty much making up the vast majority of point #2. Buying a military starter kit can essentially be the same thing as buying a Maplestrike every now and then. Whether or not it is a one-time purchase would be up to the server owner.
I’m gonna favor freedom of choice though. As long as everything is clearly defined, players are reminded that nothing is permanent, and no players (children) are being exploited, there isn’t too much of an issue. If we have a decent selection of non-P2W servers, it all works out.
In all seriousness, yeah, thats a great step in the right direction. But servers are still going to sell things like
MaxEXP,
vehicles,
or well of course, as you said, still sell kits (which have items in them?).
maybe I’m misreading, but IDK why you would ban selling individual items when you would still allow selling kits full of items.
It makes sense to ban purchases of “paid unfair advantages”. In order to prevent it from being too broad, you can list things that would be a paid unfair advantage (like exp, kits, items, vehicles) and add a “subject to change” warning.
Except muh p2w servers can still continue to do their thing.
Watch them circumvent this via not selling individual items for cash but one time use bundle with worthless shit everybody just buys for that one item.
Muh individul freedom
Yeah, odd that. Guess he’ll either readjust or remove this, because in its current state this seems like a shitty compromise.
Congratulations to Rain for getting this added. He may be a masssive dork but this is a phenomenally good change imho and we have him (and Nelson) to thank for it.
I back up Deus on the fact that you should be allowed too see such servers provided you enable it in Preferences.json.
I also think that this should also apply to vehicles, experience, and ways that are used to circumvent the ban, namely kits and ueconomy currency.
P.S.: When are weapon rebalances coming? The only three viable endgame PvP guns are Zubek-Maple-Matamorez, almost everything else goes towards scrap or into horde beacons. Oh, and maybe a Horde Beacon rework? Maybe have it drop you Special node loot and not 0.5% chance raiding gear and guns in obscene amounts?
Kits or perks like additional vault space would be unaffected.
New sales of in-game items for real money would not be allowed. For example in-game item shops selling guns and ammo for real money. Servers continuing to sell in-game items for real money would be removed from the server list after a warning.
Any in game benefit bought through irl monetary transaction should be prohibited, it wouldnt make sense to allow them to have kits but not individual items, or other direct benefits like “vault space”.
With the way gunplay works in U3 it seems impossible to fix certain weapons into being “viable”. If anything, we should be thankful that there isn’t just one meta weapon - instead as you said, its three different weapons.
I commented it on another post, that if Nelson wants to “rebalance” guns so that all guns are viable, then he shouldn’t nerf existing meta weapons to be worse, but rather buff or improve scenario-specific weapons like SMGs and Shotguns in some way to be useful for their respective situations.
This way, lazy people like me can continue to do a jack-of-a-trades generic maplestrike loadout, while others might get an edge on me by using the most effective weapons for the situation.
I suppose thats a bit off topic but yeah, complicated subject.
anyway. Although vault space is obviously still a paid advantage, atleast its not as obvious or painfully advantageous. However, if Nelson chooses to ban some advantages and exclude others it will simply put greedy server owners in a position to maximize on the few paid advantages available for them to capitalize off of.
EX: A lot of pay to win servers might have never thought about, or ever used, a vault system. But with the introduction of this good idea, if implemented in this way, it will simply push them to add vaults so that people who pay either get access to a vault (aka normal people dont get vaults at all) or pay for ridiculously large vaults
This would happen across all of these servers, so the vault paid advantage would only become more popular and commonplace across all P2W servers.
Is that a good compromise? Well idk. It would get pretty ridiculous for huge un-raidable inventories to become the norm on the remaining P2W servers. We’re trading a terrible system for a system that would be better but not quite best, in my opinion of course.
To clarify: the initial goal here would be to stop exploitative consumeable purchases. Items, vehicles, currency, experience all being examples of in-game consumeables.
These in-game stores are some of the most egregiously pay-to-win, and are also problematic because players can spend an infinite amount of money on them. Comparatively a one-time purchase to support the server in exchange for a rank / benefits seems fairer.
I also think this is a good place to start because stopping the sale of consumeables does not affect any existing server customers, i.e. it is not taking anything away from anyone, only preventing future purchases of this type.
Most people on [redacted] seem to think that a fat disclaimer and warning on these servers would be the better way forward instead of a server list ban. I personally said:
I guess if we put a “This server practices predatory behavior or has content that will be downloaded onto your computer that may be harmful” in red then id be happyish
If there is a disclaimer i want it to be big, red, scary, and very hyperbolic and generalized to scare as many people away as possible
