literally don’t put any effort into making an argument because it will be either outright ignored or completely misinterpreted.
that’s why i believe just posting memes in response to any rain thread is the best way of containing this, without wasting any time. im starting to agree that arguing with rain is a super dead horse at this point
Was going to make an actual comment on this thread but I think RedComm summed it up nicely. My only question is how do you come up with these ridiculous ideas that have no evidence to support them. I thought Honors level classes that you say you take should teach you how to use a claim, evidence, and warrant, but I guess not 
Honors level classes are a joke with the kind of people they let in them.
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The reason why I was pointing out that Rain was a communist was to point out that Rain is likely looking at it from an ideological stand point, which I absolutely loathe and hate despite myself being a Minarchist and somewhat ideological myself. I want to put myself into the shoes of a person and see things from their perspective, I still try to empathize with the owners, staff, and the users.
My POINT is to say that Rain is a bit of an ideologue. Rain, a single fallacy or two doesn’t make my point invalid you’re literally using a fallacy in and of itself, in a twist of irony. Also, the “This is your rain on Communsim” thing was a bit of a meme I added in for some flavor.
I just thought it was important to point out that your politics heavily influence the way you run servers. Which can be a real big problem. An in game bank robber is not the same as someone who uses in-game hacks, a group of hackers can wreak absolute havoc on servers, Minecraft Monday being one of many countless examples. Do you expect that banning people using the democratic process is one of the best ways to moderate a server. If anything it’s actually one of the worse ways. A game server with staff and mods are not the same as political institutions within the State.
Also, @RedCo does make a good point about you stubbornly holding on to positions even when you’re absolutely wrong and being condescending about it. Rain you used to be so much better than this. What in the absolute flying fuck happened to you? Another thing is that rain presented ZERO EVIDENCE to his claim for Unturned II servers. The entire idea of Official Servers is to give something to the people who choose to opt into the Unturned Gold upgrade.
This isn’t exactly the most refined argument in the world, but it’s a start and may clarify what I’m saying.
does rain realize rocket mod 5.0 for unturned 2 has been cancelled or not
Perhaps my last serious post and warning
Took two and a half years for you to realize that people don’t support you injecting your personal politics into the game, with the exception of the EULA post, and even that was widely contested on the anti-P2W aspect.
What I don’t understand is that the game isn’t even out of closed demo yet, and you’re already screeching about the game being a disaster. We don’t know the details of the EULA yet. We don’t know the details of the Paywall, or if there will even be one. There’s not even Plugins out yet (that I know of) for players or staff to abuse yet, or for people to pay for, but you’re acting as if all of them are set in stone. It makes you look immature and as if you’re making mountains out of nonexistent molehills. I also don’t see the need to bring back these threads after months and years of them being posted, especially when none of what you wrote about was even implemented since then.
I feel as if the Unturned Community is largely fine with P2W being implemented in servers. There’s a reason they’re so popular, otherwise there wouldn’t be an issue of kids buying OP kits and servers trying to bandwagon on the trend, flooding the server lists with the same old plugins and donor statuses over and over again. It’s not my fault if Little Timmy uses his Christmas money to buy Admin status on some shitty Washington RP server. Sure he’s making it unfair and is getting screwed by a server owner trying to make a quick buck, but if you don’t want that there’s plenty of Vanilla servers to choose from. Can’t say they’re active, but hey it seems people aren’t into that gameplay anymore. To quote Pulpfreewater: “Again, no one is defending P2W, just the ability of servers to do what they want, also there is a reason P2W servers get paid, its because playing on them is fun.”
The Paywall is still widely unconfirmed about the details of what it’ll do and if it will even exist in the first place. It seems the majority of the Forums are on board with a paywall to access Official Vanilla servers, and are fine with them being staffed. You speak in your post about the demand for official servers being so small to the point where a large zerg clan could effectively hold the single official server hostage, yet there’s no paywall yet and the true extent of how much of the playerbase supports or will play on these servers is still unknown, let alone is this will even happen, because while probable, it’s impossible to know if this will play out as you predict since you’re biased against it and create strawman arguments.
Abusive staff is something that’s impossible to predict, since not only is the foundation of UII still in development, but there’s no plugins whatsoever (that I know of) thus far for UII, let alone ones that allow staff to easily abuse their powers. Especially when you focus on Official Servers and selecting staff for them, that in itself is still far from development, and it’s impossible to predict what’s going to happen. I have faith that Nelson will handpick qualified, competent staff over random players. There’s a reason Molt and Yarrrr are so loved in the community. They’re laid back, don’t abuse their power, and regularly interact with the players, both as staff and as other players.
I’ve already written a lot about purchases in-game, but I’m also fine with paid plugins. A modder is free to decide if they want to accept a commision (if they offer it in the first place), or if they want to create a better version of an existing plugin for a premium cost. It gives server owners what they want, and provides income for modders. Both parties leave happy, a win-win! You also talk about how the only servers that use paid plugins are P2W servers, but it’s extremely unlikely that 100% of those purchases are P2W servers, and by restricting access to premium paid plugins, you’re going to hurt small, independent, F2P servers trying to improve their quality simply out of enjoying the game.
To conclude, nothing you’ve ‘warned about’ has even in the slightest come true. UII is still a shell of what’s to come, and servers are rarely played, plugins are nonexistent, a paywall is still a long time from even being started working on by Nelson, and there’s no staff abusing innocent players out of pure malice and injustice. This post feels less like you trying to better the game, and more like you rambling on about personal political opinions, and ideas that the majority of the community disagrees with, even seeming like you’re trying to necro all of these four threads under a single thread. The game isn’t even out for public release yet, so I don’t understand what you’re getting all hot and bothered about, going on and on as if the game’s a failure even before launch and even hinting at yet another post targeting Rocketmod, which you already tried to discuss about in the Plugins thread, when all 4 of your posts could be summarized in a single sentence and still be more coherent: ‘Capitalism bad, hierarchies bad, what I like good’ (inb4 ‘this but unironically’). It’s repetitive and the majority of the forums disagrees with you.
People are confused about the meaning behind your post, and instead of explaining it to us, you double down and act as if we’re too ignorant to understand and/or care. I’d really appreciate honestly debating these topics, since hearing other people’s opinions on the state of the game has long been something I enjoy listening to, but with the way you’re handling criticisms of your posts, I doubt that’s possible in good faith.
yeah cause thats what it is
its all a prediction post without certain evidence
this gave me a good chuckle
here I’ll do ya this, provide me some certain, hard-hitting evidence for just one post and I’ll believe you.
Fuck me…
What have you become…
This fucking post is the first in awhile making me laugh
This. Literally this whole post by @Armaros is true. Rain what I find really fucking shitty is that you inject your political ideology into anything including the running of servers. Its’ very painful for me especially because I try very fucking hard to keep my own personal politics out of Unturned. Why the hell would I inject my own politics into a low-poly zombie game where most of the community hasn’t even reached Middle School.
I channel my personal politics into geopolitical minecraft servers like EarthMC, CivClassics, and Dovahhatty’s minecraft server. I could go on to say that countless economists like Carl Menger, Böhm Bawerk, Ludwig von Mises, Frederick Hayek, and countless other philosophers and economists have dissected and critiqued the ideals of socialism and have disproven it by using various tools at their disposal. Whether it be economic theory, and in the case of Mises used both economics and praexeology to disprove Marxist ideals. There’s a reason why Marxist economists are rare to non-existent in the economic world, yet the Austrian, Chicago, and Keynesian Schools of Economics are all alive and well. Generally speaking, economics should avoid ethical orientation. But I’m going to say this rain. Your Platonist ideology does not negate reality, the world of forms where everything is perfect does not exist. The Utopia you envision is not real, it will never be reality.
Rain you’ve finally fucking broken me. I’ve finally been broken and now have to talk about politics and economics in a forum meant for a single game.
So direct player democracy is an absolutely terrible idea and will give tons of power to clans.
But wait, isn’t…
Yup. Direct, unsupervised player democracy in the official servers would pretty much give Rain the power to ban anyone. 
Democracy = Hypocrisy
By reading the Road to Serfdom, and observing history through the 20th Century. Despotism under Marxism is an inevitability. Don’t you know that @Pesticide? I’m speaking politically and philosophically for once because Rain injected literal Communism and even mentioned Marx.
Marx has been disproven by every non-Marxist philosopher of his time and even after his life. With the best Anti-Marxist arguments come from the Austrian School of Economics, and especially in Mises and Hayek, with Böhm Bawerk and Menger laying the ground for Mises and Hayek, in my opinion.
well yeah obviously
Marxism is on the belief that the government controls everything, and despotism is the belief that a single person rules over the government.
The two go together and you have yourself a good ol’ fashioned shitshow
Nah I think rain did it for a joke
I won’t harp on him for that one…
unless he actually injected Marx into his post…
which if he says he actually injected with the actual purpose of communism in unturned, he has lost all of my respect because it is a horrible, awful and no good idea
@RainOfPain125 please,
Get off your socialist high horse and actually respond i must know weather this is a joke or not
Why are everyone crying about P2W Server. Just don’t play on them like me.
Yes, it’s this simple. P2W servers tend to die the fastest anyways. @Teemo
Yeah it’s really simple xD. The P2W servers will die if more people do it than we do. I don’t understand why ppl get upset about that. The solution is so simple.
" Thoughts on paid plugins for a free game?" Really? just don’t buy any Plugins if you think they are overpriced. Code your own and done.
man i wish i knew who these people were
I don’t want to be to political, especially on a forum about a fucking zombie block game, but that’s really not an ok thing to say. I know you probably did it for comedic effect, but some places have limits, keep those kind of jokes to the people you know are okay with it.
why do you have this compulsion to insert your extremely bizarre and obsessive special interests into every interaction? why transsexualism and communism of all possible narrow fixations? this is extremely cringe and weird, but you lack in the empathy department and cant realize that.
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Nelson has a long history of making anti-consumer decisions. Refer: Sven. Not gonna tire myself debunking the rest considering you don’t know what you’re talking about. Also lots of confirmation bias.
Red Herring
I surely pulled it all out of my ass without any basis on past historical events on Unturned 3.0 and what Nelson has historically done.
This is still genetic fallacy, because you’re implying just because I’m seeing things from an ideological standpoint means those things aren’t as valuable or credible. You continue to attack with this fallacy through the rest of the comment.
Nelson didn’t learn his lesson, because RMOD has been confirmed for 4.0by @Trojaner
says the unironic fascist who chills with an unironic nationalist
this is the big funny
My servers were nowhere near my political ideology, not sure where you pulled that except your ass.
I was one of the first ever players on EarthMC, back when it was Fix and Karl. Infact, if you go far back enough in my Reddit post history you’ll find me advertising the server - because nobody was playing it. Similarly to Unturned, I’ve watched the EarthMC community continue to go in a downward spiral to the point where I’ve been banned from EarthMC for trying to eliminate toxicity, while players who use bigoted language and only play to make it harder on others get away untouched. Unlike EarthMC, I don’t think I need a ban to realize it might be healthier to just quit interacting with the unbelievably toxic community.
Thats also funny, because me and my group has just got into Civ. That’s where the screenshot comes from.
and countless other philosophers and economists have dissected and critiqued the ideals of capitalism and have disproven it by using various tools at their disposal.
If you weren’t so toxic about it, you could totally join my community of 300 members that is built around the discussion and education of Leftist and Anarchist Philosophy, Praxis, Theory, and real life. You can ask to join privately, in a DM, since I already ‘broke’ you.
quote circa 2020, SDG forum turns to fascism in a radical rejection of democracy and democratic values.
And I don’t agree with Marxism either. To assume all leftists are Marxists is a boneheaded argument. You’re neglecting an entire quarter of the political compass like it just doesn’t exist lol.
The Conquest of Bread is essentially a criticism of traditional Marxism whereby Peter Kroptkin suggests a radically different, diametrically opposed way of trying to achieve a Communist Society through decentralization, flattening hierarchies, no vanguards, no shitty states.
Why are all these leftists crying about capitalism? Just move to Venezuela!
Don’t like capitalist society? Just go out and build your own society. Why so entitled?
I don’t need to play the game at all to make an educated, thorough analysis of what characteristics and contradictions Unturned 4.0 will have similar to the ones that 3.0 had. I have the beta, but I didn’t need it to formulate these inevitable conclusions.
bigot? Good example of why I gave up on this forum.
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I thought I already said I wasn’t going to douse fuel into your fire. Can you all just excuse yourselves or something? I’ve given up on blocking people since I can’t block them permanently. Thanks @Yarrrr @MoltonMontro, you really increased productive discussion by forcing me to see the same batshit bait unproductive comments by the same exact people that I have to reply to or else it looks like I ‘lost’ the ‘argument’