When 4.0 INEVITABLY has everything I warned about

[kvc.6]

@RainOfPain125

EDIT: @RainOfPain125 keep your trans shit away from me

bigot? Good example of why I gave up on this forum.

I thought I already said I wasn’t going to douse fuel into your fire. Can you all just excuse yourselves or something? I’ve given up on blocking people since I can’t block them permanently. Thanks @Yarrrr @MoltonMontro, you really increased productive discussion by forcing me to see the same batshit bait unproductive comments by the same exact people that I have to reply to or else it looks like I ‘lost’ the ‘argument’

liked for this

[RainOfPain125]

@kvc.6

liked for this

inb4 thread lock because its “unproductive”

its almost as if I have no control over these people coming in and shitting on my post.

[kvc.6]

Symptom of the larger circle jerk/hive mind/toxicity of the Unturned/Closed Circle community. Though a persons actions aren’t fully excused. Trying to prove that you’ve changed is the hardest part.

[RainOfPain125]

@kvc.6

Trying to prove that you’ve changed is the hardest part.

Leaving the Pineridge Discord is a very good first step, just a note for everyone reading.

[kvc.6]

@RainOfPain125

Leaving the Pineridge Discord is a very good first step

Not necessarily, if you’re trying to escape hive mind mentality, then yes, if you’re trying to escape circle jerk mentality, leave the Forums/Unturned Community all together.

[RainOfPain125]

Lets both leave and go chill on a beach or something fun. Because this isn’t fun and honestly I don’t think its ever been fun. It’s degrading if anything - degenerate, if you’d like to call it.

[kvc.6]

For sure, tbh I’ve just kinda stopped interacting much on the forums. I only really respond to “big threads” that I can some what contribute to, or threads that don’t exactly relate to Unturned, such as the “Fav Youtubers” thread. I don’t really ever comment on your threads, since most unique takes are drowned out by what you can see above. Not to say they’re wrong, but rather that I don’t feel like I can add much to the discussion.

[RainOfPain125]

There isn’t much for me to add to the discussion on my end either. Replying to these people seems pointless because the answers to their crap is literally so obvious to me, it honestly gets infuriating, tedious, annoying, relentless. Essentially every big thread I’ve ever made gets drowned out by unproductive nonsense, “haha rain” memes, and shit retorts that are just ad hominem’s.

that beach is starting to look hella nice.

[kvc.6]

Yeah it is a nice beach.

Tbh, it kinda is pointless. You’ve already explained your position, you’d just be repeating yourself at that point. Might as well just quote where you’ve explained your position.

To quote Nolan, “People shit on him, then he acts out, then people act like this wasn’t expected, then they make a big deal about it.”

I do enjoy talking to you Rain, even if I don’t agree with you, it’s interesting talking to someone who has a different perspective.

[MoltonMontro]

@RainOfPain125

its almost as if I have no control over these people coming in and shitting on my post.

There have been zero reports coming out of this topic. Staff would be able to react quicker to trouble posts/users if the report button was used by anyone who has had to read such inappropriate posts.

EDIT: To clarify, I’ve cleaned up the specific post that’s been quoted a bunch now. Earlier, staff removed several other shorter posts.

EDIT 2: Reports should also be made regarding title editing / category switching if you ever feel it wasn’t done in good faith.

[Renaxon]

both sides are idiots

[RainOfPain125]

ah yes, the negotiator enlightened centrist

[kvc.6]

[RainOfPain125]

all these people having meaningful discussion…

i just wanna grill for god sake!

[kvc.6]

who said they were meaningful doe?

[RainOfPain125]

[danaby2]

uh oh

[SDGNelson]

Maybe I’m out of the loop, but the anti-consumer aspect surprises me. My opinion is that the long-term continued support of Unturned 3.0 e.g. the recent foliage consolidation update is pro-consumer, and hopefully builds confidence in the future of both games.

[RainOfPain125]

@SDGNelson

Maybe I’m out of the loop, but the anti-consumer aspect surprises me.

I’m pretty sure being too lazy to develop your own plugin API and let a private third-party handle it, then giving them legitimate authority over it. Of course, talking about RMod and Sven. In fact this has been discussed since 2018 and all you, Nelson, have done is defend Sven’s actions.

First, Sven writing a code into RocketMod nicknamed flying mushrooms which was something, when read backwards, was a way to hard-ban anyone he personally didn’t like from all RocketMod servers through the users S64ID. Server hosters running RM has no choice and essentially no hosters even knew about this. Infact, to this day hardly anyone knows about this.

Second, Sven writing an arbitrary plugin/website nicknamed “Observatory” which was a consentual service server-hosters could opt-in to where moderators of servers would ban a hacker from their server and submit evidence to the Observatory website for a jury of users to hold a trial on whether or not that user was hacking. It sounds great in practice, and sounds consensual. Except Sven turned it from a downloadable plugin to something that is fundamentally built-in to RM, and was by by-default enabled. Hardly any server hosters running RM knew what Observatory is, so they had no reason to switch it from the default “true” to “false” (or enabled to disabled).

On top of forcing Observatory to be apart of RM (when nobody asked for that), he decided to abuse his unique power, or ownership, of Observatory to ban people he personally disliked without any trial, no other jurors, and no photographic evidence required.

As you know, because you defended him, he banned a popular figure named @ItzEdInYourBed because he was vaguely associated with hack-client developers, and never helped them develop hacks nor used their hacks. You blatantly defended his actions publicly on the SDG forums.

My Ban Appeal

Ban wise: You aren’t banned from Unturned itself on Steam and won’t be unless cheat software is detected on your computer. The Rocket Observatory and Discord bans are community projects and out of our discretion. My personal opinion: From what I’ve seen looking through the cheat discord server as well as images, comment records and the other people involved from your side it’s reasonable to think that you knew you were involved in a heavily cheating-related project, and so by the standards of …

“I have no control over Rocket because it’s entirely separate from Unturned,”

You had every ability to make a good plugin API apart of the base game instead of officially handing over this power, that you may or may not have known could (and evidently was) abused.

“but even if I did I would be glad to retain Sven as its developer. While it’s possible to bring up some examples of rude behavior on his part I’m sure that’s true for all of us at one point or another, and it can be especially difficult to keep a cool head”

Then you defend his blatant, intentional abuse by saying we all “lose our cool” aka “make mistakes”. This is not a mistake. This wasn’t a one-time thing. He planned this out, coded this out, and abused his unique privilege that you both indirectly/directly gave him.

Third, not to mention the hellhole and joke of a Discord you let him officially run on your behalf, possibly one of the worst official game-discords I’ve ever attempted to participate in.

There are a few other minor examples, like Sven’s personal character, as he has endlessly and historically been a major ■■■■ to almost everyone, but I think that goes into the realm of being too subjective. Everything so far has been objective, and undeniable.

If you don’t consider these things totally anti-consumer, then I think there’s a problem. Even if you never expected or anticipated for these things to happen, they happened, and instead of acknowledging the problem, you decided to, @Armaros take it away

@SDGNelson

My opinion is that the long-term continued support of Unturned 3.0 e.g. the recent foliage consolidation update is pro-consumer

While yes, this is very pro-consumer, there is a lot more than that.

The reason a lot of these things I write about are “inevitable” is because as far as I see, you aren’t learning from these things that don’t exactly directly involve the game like the code, but things that can mold and shape the game, it’s community, and how the game is enjoyed or used. Things beyond and outside of the box that need to be accounted for.

I don’t blame you, I don’t mean to be passive-aggressive, but this is just one facet of the anti-consumer, anti-player things that I am talking about, and I make these posts to shed light on them, then get shit on, and then don’t have the time or mental capacity to deal with the endless toxicity, aggressive memes, harassment, stalking, death threats, doxxing, impersonation, abuse, and other things that I’ve endured.

“I’m sure that’s true for all of us at one point or another, and it can be especially difficult to keep a cool head when dealing with other rude comments.”

[Effectism]

@RainOfPain125

I don’t blame you, I don’t mean to be passive-aggressive, but this is just one facet of the anti-consumer, anti-player things that I am talking about, and I make these posts to shed light on them, then get shit on, and then don’t have the time or mental capacity to deal with the endless toxicity, aggressive memes, harassment, stalking, death threats, doxxing, impersonation, abuse, and other things that I’ve endured.

stop playing the victim card every time you make another post with nonsense political ideology and then being called out for it. you know whats going to happen. you do it anyway. you cry fascism and say youre leaving. then you crawl right back. its 2020 rain lets actually learn a lesson or five here.