Factions- A Proper One

Now we’ve all played Unturned 3.0 with it’s static and cookie cutter NPC system. You have felt the emptiness with it too, right? Well, we all have. So here is to an idea of a fully fledged faction system suggestion!

Basic:

You may be asking, what are you trying to do? Well… Simple. I’m trying to suggest a whole system for factions and literally everything in it.

Now you may be asking, Isn’t that a lot? I say, WOW YOU ASK SO MUCH QUESTIONS! and also, yes! So please try to forgive me if I make a mistake here and there with things such as grammar. This will be constantly be updated as long as I live… And as long as this is not locked.

Now, off we go!

Part 1: NPC’S & Reputation

Nelson (from what I know) has already gone on the record as saying that he’d make an effort in Unturned II to improve NPC’s and potentially add NPC Bandits and such. So, why not do it for factions!

Though commander units may be static or stay near a certain area, there could be faction troopers that roam regions or bases and can attack or defend the player. This may actually be possible by making faction NPC’s passive to the player by a variable such as Fac1REPPlayer= with a negative rep being hostile and a + rep being friendly.

We may even be able to do this to NPC’s with something like FAC1REPBandit=. Allowing for the player to encounter faction based or bandit based combat, adding a dynamic that is often only seen in Triple A spaces.

And Nelson, for the love of god, if you make vehicle AI, make them exit the car when they spot you in a certain radius, do not, PLEASE, DO NOT MAKE THEM JUST ATTACK IN CAR. They’d just shoot eachother’s backs and then run the player over in a insta kill. So do not fuck that up if you make it by not making them exit.

It wouldn’t even be that hard (besides making sure their hostilities and passive stats ain’t done while the guy doing it is drunk.) Just do the reps and spawns, add that uniform code of paint with some different stats and BAM.

This reputation could be visualized to the player via a bar that increases and is shown to increase to the player when they do something like complete a mission or kill an enemy faction patrol (see Far Cry 5 as a potential example).

Spawns could be done as packs of units patrolling the inner area with increased patrols or better geared units spawning closer to the center of a faction’s territory (see part:3).

Reputation could also have rates like

  • Side Missions: 10
  • Main Missions: 20
  • Killed Patrols: 5
    etc.

PART 2: Territory

Territory should play a role with factions to help find out which places they should spawn in and make sense of them in general.

Territory owned by factions should be displayed with a color or a colored border on the map with a label of the territory (or which faction owns it in the colored border).

Territory should merely start off as their bases. But as you do missions for a faction (a main set) or increase your reputation to certain milestones (see part:1) territory should increase.

There could also be timed missions that could affect the territory owned by factions (to make it seem more dynamic. Like the enemy faction is also increasing. These would only be unlocked as the player progresses, providing a better reason rather than Unturned 3’s uniforms to join and fight for a faction when it comes to stuff to do.

As territory increases, more patrols will be spawned in those places. Perhaps having uncontrolled military bases or outposts that can be captured and can be used for story missions with more compact concentrations of soldiers.

And for players that say that (this is impossible and too expensive), though it will be hard and will take a while, it’s definitely worth it and far from impossible. Hell, games that are over a DECADE OLD MANAGED TO ACCOMPLISH THINGS LIKE THIS (see games like Stalker, Call of Priblyat).

PART 3: Faction Levels

Faction levels are a system used to regulate the strength of enemies or allies in a faction.
I.E A level 20 Aegis soldier has 200% (triple) the health of a lvl 1 Aegis Soldier

Certain faction levels may start spawning different troops (like direct assassination patrols, armored vehicle patrols, berserkers etc).

This also applies for friendly units. Lets say reputation to level is +20 for friendly factions.
At level 15, you get bodyguard soldiers or soldiers that spawn if you are in combat for more than 1 minute (an enemy unit is doing it’s combat animation i.e approaching you and shooting/stabbing you for 1 minute).

Faction levels reach up to 20 and may be increased via 2 factors:

  • Distance to Center (Center or the main HQ of the Faction’s Property)

  • Reputation

Distance to center would be how far away the AI is from the central base/area of a faction. The closer to the center, the higher the level. This would prevent things like players farming the circle region around a factions central base over and over as they would have to face against stronger and tougher foes or even different variants

Reputation (see part 1) could make enemy or ally units more powerful. Lets say we are talking about an enemy faction. The rate of reputation to level is -20 faction rep. A player has -100 faction rep. Now lets say this faction is AEGIS. Now AEGIS will now start spawning abduction patrols that spawn anywhere in the border region or even the opposing factions region which will deploy in jeeps and hunt the player with light infantry shock units. This could make for intense, balanced, constantly challenging and dynamic gameplay that will always keep a player on their toes until they reach above the cap and get accustomed to the enemy in the end game, which allows the player to truly feel like they fought hard and won that end game if they play factions.

PART 4: Combat

NPC units have the chance to spawn in bundles, also known as patrols. depending on certain distances they will do something in a certain way Let’s say the command hq is 300 meters away and the border is 20 meter away, they will approach and patrol the border.

This would allow for both enemy and ally patrols to spawn near the border, creating a sense of actual war as you go and see enemy units duking it out in the border.

Specialized patrols are patrols fitting a linear objective. Like command post patrols guard and patrol the base in a linear pattern. Hunter patrols spawn near and stalk/hunt the player.

Zombies may have something cool to do- INFECT NPC’S. NPC’S could have a seperate factor just like we do for our radiation in 3.0. But instead of just dying to the virus, the AI loses everything but it’s clothes and becomes a zombie! It would have a much lower radiation health though, like 4 or 5 hits from a zombie (just an example) would turn them to a zombie. This could even tie in to levels (see Part:3) with certain levels spawning hazmat soldiers with an increased resistance to zombie attacks!

PART 5: Faction Assets (PART OF UPDATE: 10 OF THIS POST)

Faction assets would be purchasable assets that help the player throughout the game and are usually exclusive to that faction. They would only be purchasable by EXP (This could finally make EXP useful in Unturned’s Endgame, especially in singleplayer) and only to people with certain reputation milestones like +100 rep (see part 1) for certain assets. I.E if you had (this is an example not a set in stone number) +100 rep in the Coalition, you could buy vehicles like the Coalition Jeep. If you had +500 rep in the Coalition, you could buy Coalition Squads which would be 3 or 4 Coalition NPC’s that’d shoot any hostile force that is non-coalition.

This would allow you to feel like you’re gaining more- and could allow for some cool builds as you set up squads of Coalition troops in your massive crib.

PART 6: Ranks (PART OF UPDATE: 10 OF THIS POST)

Ranks would be well- ranks. Just like in regular Unturned. Except instead of just gaining uniforms, ranks should gain you more. Imagine if- when you reached the top rank- NPC guards would salute to you. Or you could gain access to a store with discounted assets. Or even (if you reach the top rank) be able to own 1 outpost on the map! As in like, the game would unlock a series of assets allowing you to use your EXP to rank up your allied faction level when near that outpost and recruit stronger units to that outpost or even ones that could move up.

Like NPC soldiers that you can buy at once that cap at 25 or potentially more at once (you could maybe change it as a variable when starting a singleplayer or multiplayer server that you could buy any variant of (imagine 25 biohazard soldiers or 25 juggarnauts with the Coalition banner marching at Moscow!)

The cap for the soldiers could be changed just like the chances of mega or frost zombies spawning in Unturned 3.0 (in the advanced part of creating a custom singleplayer or online server). Allowing the cap to be customized or a untickable/tickable setting like “Outpost Ownership” could prevent abuse, breaking servers and may stop FPS/lag issues while also still enabling players to play the game and experience this aspect of it!

The way to move them up would be simple- the groups tab. The game would make all of the NPC’s enter 1 group. You (and only you) can remove them from the group and invite them to new ones. You can then use Unturned 3.0’s right click to point in map system to make a squad move to several points (multiple groups would be allowed as NPC-1 NPC-2 NPC-3 and targetting for each group would be 1 simultanious click for NPC-1, 2 simultanious clicks for NPC-2 and then 3 for NPC-3.) To remove an NPC from a group, just simply kick them- click something like “create NPC group” (Which would only let you and NPC’s join) and then click something like “assignment mode”, then punch the AI ally you want in your squad and bam.

PART 7: Workshop (PART OF UPDATE 11 OF THIS POST)

Adding this faction system allows for extremely dynamic and interesting NPC creations and may even allow for benefit universally. RP servers could have things like Mafia NPC’s that will attack Police who shoot people with Mafia Perms.

Military RP servers could have NPC’s from both militaries fighting for their factions.

The code for factions may be adjustable like the current custom NPC’s, allowing for the creation of uniforms, gear, applying guns and applying vehicles.

Imagine NPC’s in military RP fighting eachother in blackhawks! Or constant pressure being applied to factions by having NPC Bandit’s spawning in a city!

The possibilities could be ENDLESS. With cmd prompt toggles to disable things like reputation barriers or territory capturing missions etc.

Post is subject to change, thank you for processing my idea through that great thinkerthunker big lickin’ junker (wat) brain of yours!

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Sorry if I’m mistaken but I believe you have forgotten the “suggestion” part of your “suggestion thread”

EDIT: For anyone arriving late, this is what the post had looked like

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Here’s a suggestion. Before you post something, make sure it’s actually complete instead of just making an intro paragraph and adding onto it later

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Official reply from the Moderation Team

Derailed topic

I cleaned up a bunch of the replies that were situated between the above two posts. The above two posts already cover a bulk of what the replies were discussing, so nobody is really missing any context.
  • I also removed the other thread, since it could’ve just been combined into this discussion as they were made minutes within each other. The answer is no – we haven’t discussed factions.

Generally speaking, 8 posts weren’t needed to explain the situation. Just like the original post instead of repeating what was already being said. Like, report, move on, etc.

Unfinished topics

I suggest using a text document off-site, or sending yourself a private message on-site, if you’re not done writing a post. Updating the same public post constantly over the course of several hours doesn’t make it readable.

  • People are going to see different information, and many people just won’t reply because it looks unfinished (they’re going to want to “check back later when it’s done”, and just never revisit the post). tl;dr: less people will read your post

Updating topics

I understand the intent behind it, but forums aren’t really meant for live-service --style threads. Updating a topic is fine, but there should ideally already be a topic to discuss. Sometimes people post early and that’s fine too.

  • Sometimes people like to add new ideas into an old topic, which is fine, but depending on how its done and what kind of the topic it is, it can be more confusing.

  • Suggestion topics, for example, generally aren’t updating because new suggestions (by OP or other people) can be put into the replies, or into a new topic. Updating one post constantly results in pooling in more ideas that people may not have agreed with originally.

    • People are less likely to like your post, which makes it harder to quickly gauge feedback/opinion and hurts you on the search algorithm.

    • You lose context. Replies to the post start to make less sense as information is added or removed. It’s like people who make a thread on Steam Discussions, and then edit it away with just a . after there’s been a bunch of replies.

  • Some topics are meant to be compilations. They compile links to various SDG-related videos, or links to a bunch of threads focused on the same topic (e.g., bandits).

    • These make more sense to be updated constantly and they don’t rely on replies/likes, but even then the forum isn’t built to sustain them indefinitely (even without auto-lock, your ability to edit the post will eventually decay).
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This is great and all, but I really don’t see the problem here. Cars are just going to be rolling around with their passengers firing at you, like, you know, someone is supposed to do in a car. What happens if you meet a mounted cavalry guy? Does he just dismount and challenge you to trial by combat?

If all you need to do to get NPCs out of a vehicle is stand in front of it as it comes barreling down the road, then then shooting them as they try to exit the vehicle, then that invalidates the whole reasoning behind AI in vehicle convoys in the first place.

Reply from the Molt (not an official SDG reply)


Where?

The real question is – what does adding bandits, factions, and territories bring to the game? Should bandits/factions spawn everywhere, or should they be a part of the map design? Should there be factionless bandits that spawn everywhere?

Do we tie friendly NPCs (e.g., the Coalition) into the system? If so, are they the only NPCs that are friendly? Can we end up being hostile towards them instead, and if so, can Coalition NPCs spawn like bandits do? Does it make sense for the Coalition NPCs to spawn randomly like bandits, or would it make more sense for their to be territory-exclusive NPCs?

tl;dr: Where on a map would bandits/NPCs have a place?

Adding Factions

Personally, I support factions just from a modding standpoint. It’s easier if there’s already something in place to allow for faction-based combat for whatever mods you guys make.

Faction Levels

I kinda like this.

I kinda dislike this (and most of the rest of the section).

My issue with faction levels is that the game moves closer towards an RPG-style system like Ark or Fallout: 76. RPG-style is still about progression (me like!), but it’s through level-gating (me ehhhh…).

Maybe replace “faction levels” solely with this part:

Exclusively make “faction level” based on territory. The further into faction-owned territory, the more dangerous the faction is. Replace “levels” with territorial aggression. Rather than buff health, give them better gear (e.g., stronger armor plating).

Patrol Hunts & Endgame

You could say that the U3 “endgame” is player-vs-player combat, with the only exception being PvE quests that (depending on the map) are usually just horde beacons and simple fetch quests.

This suggestion makes it faction combat instead, which doesn’t scream “zombie survival”. If bandits can afford to hunt one person indefinitely, why are zombies a threat?

You mention zombies at the end of your post, but are we sure that’d happen naturally? It’d probably make more sense to have such a feature, but then let them spawn infected naturally. Also, 4-5 hits would probably kill the poor bandit. :frowning:

Faction Rep. 2: Electric Boogaloo

What about exclusively-hostile and exclusively-friendly factions? Also, what happens when you’re -100 Rep with a faction and want to get your Rep up?

I feel like players start to hit a dead-end where they’re stuck being hated by everyone with no safe way to actually get it up, unless you make it so there’s an entirely-safe safezone you can enter without reputation being factored in.

  • Alternatively, do you envision just having warring factions, and then players can choose one of them (with reputation gains being based on killing the other

Food for thought!

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The car could try and pull over close to you (if you’re on foot) then they all get out and shoot at you on foot, like in far cry.

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I made a suggestion a while back with this idea. It kind of ties in with this a bit, I’d really love to see NPC convoys in UII.

I don’t think NPCs should really be as common to see as you make it sound, I don’t really agree with the “territory” idea apart from just a simple navmesh like in 3.0 for zombies, but much larger, that you could see groups of NPCs patrolling around.

On these navmeshes there could be little bases, fortified camps and stuff with a few guys there, that you could get decent loot from or take over for yourself.

Maybe when you’d wiped out all NPCs on a territory, all the NPC bases would have salvageable walls and unlocked doors and stuff to you, so you could use them as your own base.

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DISCLAIMER: OWO me dumb kid have mercy I need this for pity points in case. (that isn’t even a lie sadly ;-;-;-:wink:

Seriously,
though I have put a lot of passion or effort into this suggestion, it may contain flaws or grammarical errors.
As a young whippersnap I ask that you please look past that and focus on the post itself and it’s topic

Thank you:

And now… For the next episode of Dragon Ball Z…:

Alpha

Bandits wont hunt- they would spawn everywhere and well- be bandits. Only factions that have proper defense forces ready to tackle the player when he becomes too much of a threat would dabble in hunting.

Factions wouldn’t be fixed friendly and fixed enemies, they’d have multiple joinable factions.

You wouldn’t be stuck with an infinite hatred as you can just get +rep by doing things like lets say-

  • Killing Bandits (Neutral Factions especially)

  • Killing the other faction (Warring Factions).

There will always be an escape to prevent players from being trapped.

Beta

U3 Endgame is player-vs-player combat. But that’s not really that fun and is a more “we didn’t make one, so take your gear and good luck!” kinda thing.

Here are some reasons why player-vs-player combat as the ONLY MAIN THING in endgame is bad:

  • Can quickly get stale.

  • Often a waste of time or too risky.

  • Completely excludes singleplayer.

  • Allows for ZERO input from the developer to gurantee a okay or even fun experience

And for Joseph Bandito the III, I cannot decide on definite numbers for things such as hits since I have no game that is similiar enough to what Nelson envisioned/is making to even try making a test environment.

So let’s just say 2-3 hits from a zomboidion would infect a bandit while 10-13 hits would infect a hazmat soldier meant to provide a tougher time for infected. This would almost certainly be able to happen naturally as faction units would likely encounter zombies while going through regions where zombies are nearby.

This is hopefully under the assumption that zombies don’t just spawn in random cities like they’ve been hibernating in their apartment till you start the server and poke their butt. (If that’s the case, how did a zombie infestation that dumb prove a threat in the first place to humanity… Any part of humanity…)

Also, to maintain a healthy and strong player base while not relying exclusively on community modded servers we (in my opinion) NEED some sort of RPG game or advancement that can give players a fun and rewarding challenge without needing to be on a 24/24 server. Especially to make players even wnat to reach the end game.

Charlie

I support a more territory-exclusive spawn NPC system with stronger units that venture out to hunt the player (or scout out the rest of this decaying and infected world) only at higher faction levels, I am currently deliberating if Reputation as a concept should just be thrown off the table entirely or kept as a maybe.

NPC Factions would mainly be centered around a command post- like Coalition’s liberator.

Adding factions brings many important things. One of the main important ones is… Structure. As of now, Unturned 3.0 and most of what we’ve seen for 4.0 has no structure, no story, no canon, no route to go besides farming Olympia on Washington. It has no progress, no sense of accomplishment besides building a wipeable base that could go away like poof, no progression again, besides farming Olympia or getting a lucky kill. Adding factions, could change all of this

By doing this, we add a proper endgame, fun content, a constant challenge, more opportunities for lore and canon, an opportunity for Singleplayer, we expand upon the currently lackluster faction system in 3.0. We add more opponents, more allies, have the opportunity to have allies in Singleplayer and the (ignorable if you do not want to participate in Faction events and such) chance to IMMERSE the player in an EPIC war between certain factions, feel accomplished when they capture that settlement or (if in a neutral faction) complete that bounty hunt on a boss Bandit etc.

And most critically of all, we’d be changing the game when it comes to the Survival Genre. We can use this and leverage our popularity in the F2P PC Gaming Community to bring a experience that will set a bar for most survival games in the future. Nelson would be making content unseen in F2P games and he’d be able to CEMENT himself as a developer that is here to stay in the gaming industry or even allow him to gain the notoriety and success to start forming a small team studio. If this works, we’ll write the future of Unturned, and might even write a new chapter…
For SDG

Which is why I hope this might be something implemented into Unturned 4 (If Nelson even bothers with suggestions anymore)

I hope this helped you: @MoltonMontro

Just as additional evidence that we should have improved and more dynamic factions

Only 1.6% of players have reached THE VERY FIRST AND INSTANT RANK in the coalition