When it comes to the gas system, the gas pumps shouldn’t be full at the start to show that some real shit went down and some people tried to use the gas. So it shouldn’t be filled. And regenerate at a VERY slow pace. In 3.x we had gas stations and gas tanks all filled with gas almost all the time, even in a full Washington server. There’s always a lot of gas you can find, whether you went to the mili base, or almost any city.
As for the rarity in loot, literally 3.x’s mistake was having rare loot spawning so frequently that you can have a full set of weapons from a simple 5-minutr raid on the military base. And Nelson wants 4.x to have what 3.x didn’t, hence why he’s making 4.x in the first place. 3.x had loot everywhere, letting people have end game gear in such little time, so from that you can safely say that loot will be more difficult to find otherwise the same mistake will be done twice.
The closest thing we have, true. But it’s still very different than 3.x in regards to many things such as newer mechanics, different gun play, better graphics, and a completely different engine as well. So yes, 3.x is the closest we have, but it’s still very different. So comparing the 2 games isn’t the smartest thing to do.
Fire damage on players is another topic that doesn’t really need discussing because it’ll come to no surprise that the player will be hurt badly for being so close to a wall that’s on fire, or anything that’s on fire in that regard.
Fair enough. Random amounts of fuel avalaible would accomplish this pretty well.
Yeah, on easy mode… On normal and hard it takes several trips to military locations for a good amount of weapons and armor. And since normal mode is what the game is mainly balanced for, I don’t see much issue with 3.0’s current spawn rates. If this were truly a big issue, Nelson can change the spawn rates in the editor, it’s not that hard. This isn’t something that requires months of work on an entirely new game. So if you could link me to anything saying or suggesting that he’s decreasing item spawns instead of just assuming that he’s nerfing them, I’d appreciate it.
Good point.
Alright. I’d say that about concludes the meat and potatoes of this debate. You don’t necessarily need to respond to my second point since either way we agree on limiting the raiding effectiveness of fire, and that was my main concern. But if you’d like to, feel free.
Overall still some very interesting ideas for fire mechanics in 4.x.
It’s not official yet. But almost everyone here could agree. Because i usually on normal difficulty servers, mostly vanilla and i found a Nykorev in Heritage valley, and a Heartbreaker in the military checkpoints. You can find guns anywhere. And you can have 3 days worth of food and water in 1 trip to the city. Not to mention, I found enough clothes to make about 20 dressings (no exaggeration). You can have most of the important things so fast. And i’m not the only one saying this, many people here have requested there to be less spawns to increase difficulty
So that is why I hope that item spawns are less often
Lessening the item spawns is something you can already adjust in 3.X, but people don’t decrease it all that often. Instead of just decreasing the amount of items, the value of each item needs to be decreased, and the risk taken to acquire each item needs to increase. We don’t need less content, just tougher zombies, more expensive crafting, and less powerful consumables.
I’d also like the spawn rates to be decreased to make it tougher, but there’s nothing really showing that Nelson is guarenteed to do this. Like I already said, it’s easy to adjust in 3.0. So if Nelson is aware that item spawns are too frequent, and he can fix them pretty easily, why doesn’t he? And how can you be so confident that he’s changing them based on no official statements or actions? You’re assuming his intentions.
Anyways this is getting the discussion off topic. The original point was that you could find several gas cans and use them to burn down base structures. But that doesn’t matter if the multiplier is really low like 0.01%.
Broadly/generally, many people seem to agree that there is a very short progression system in Unturned 3. Personally, I believe the only map that does loot progression “well” is Russia.
Nelson has openly acknowledged that Unturned 3 has both a hardcore and casual playerbase, and that adding one thing often ends up getting negative feedback from the other. 4 has been openly stated to be heading towards a “darker” more hardcore direction, which includes not encouraging PvP through end-game items (and guns in general) spawning super frequently. Fixing loot progression is high on that list, especially so PvE has a place in the game.
That’s only a small fragment of the reason for a new game though.
Anyways, iirc (without checking) he’s never directly said anywhere directly that he plans to straight-up decrease item spawns, but he does plan to “balance” the value of individual items better. This includes making things like melee viable again, and fixing PvP/bases. He’s also stated somewhere that he plans to better balance the Inventory system[1], and that he plans to expand upon Unturned 3’s game mechanics to be more challenging, skill-based, and/or rewarding.
Specific changes in Unturned 3 in the past that were done as compromises to try and move towards a more hardcore feeling most notably include making guns and ammunition spawn less commonly naturally, and adding two more weapon calibers (the high calibers).
So yeah, some of it probably is an assumption, but it’s a fairly good assumption to make based on Nelson’s current (publicly stated) vision.
Fair enough. Based on everything Nelson has planned for more challenging gameplay, It’d reasonable to say that the item spawns are going to be tweaked and reduced.
That’s not the only balancing feature, and making something rare can be part of balancing it. If everything was common everywhere, there would be no loot progression, and the game would be really easy. Part of the balancing of the 3.X sniper rifles was that they only used rare ammunition. People should really stop saying “It’s balanced because it’s rare” every time anyone mentions item rarity.
Lol what have I started. I think Dragons breath would be a cool addition for shotguns though. Imagine killing hordes of zombies with fire and shot, all in one pull of the trigger.