if i were to find a server that breaks the rules, where can i report them?
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Im not supporting anyone, nor trying to fight over comments or opinions. Lets just talk facts. There shouldnt be any compromises. Compromise means non of the sides are fully satisfied, it is loss on both sides. There shouldnt be grey area on this question - just black or white. Everyone on this topic pretends to be guru of all kinds of things, but most likely are just emotion driven people. Look at popular games like Dayz or Rust. Dayz forces 0 p2w donations (just cosmetics, game tags or que priority). Rust - lets to sell whatever private server owner decides (kits, ranks, items, resources etc). There is no grey area at those games. Both ways are totally different, yet both have their own advantages, disadvantages. It is up to game developer to decide what path he wants to choose, not in some forum topic where everyone is fighting like cats and dogs. So, question is one and only: 0 p2w donation or your server, your decision how to run it. There CANT be like âsomething in the middleâ - it will only create lots of misunderstandings, interpretations, uncertainty and chaos. Nelson, please, sort out this thing asap and give us UNTURNED 2 or show some progress that everyone is waiting.
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If I had to elaborate on how this would all work out:
- User finds a server that offers paid advantages
- User makes SDG account
- User goes to a certain subforum and writes about the server (hopefully in some kind of template)
- If the User does not provide sufficient information in the original post, the SDG moderators (or whoever handles blacklisting the servers) will ask the person more information (or more likely, go out of their way to find the server and check it out for themselves)
- Confirm it has paid unfair advantages then blacklist it
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well, he has to start somewhere.
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Yes, but for example 1 russian Stalker RP server uses covert P2W donate. You can buy a kit only contacting with admin on VK. So how we can solve this?
Dear Nelson
This doesnt make any sense, There are many servers with things like vip, kits etc.
Some servers are hosted on websites, and they are not free. With this change, many servers gonna stop work coz no one gonna pay with thier own money to make some randoms happy.
If someone wants to spend money on a server let them do it, this is thier own money and they can do anything want they want to do with it.
I know Thereâs a option to make pernament payments, but soon guys gonna stop buying it and everyone gonna have a vip rank, and server will soon be shutted down coz no one can pay for it.
I hope u will make a good decision.
just set up a patreon or do donator ranks
there can be special benefits from these as well
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Why do people feel the need to count and comment on other peopleâs money? But since it was hot topic here and single server was picked as an example why dont we touch more?
According to estimates (because server is showing their sales officialy)
$54,593 total
$1,820 a month
To my knowledge this server has 1 server and it is RP type of server.
Why not we investigate some of the biggest networks in community.
One popular server network owns 28 servers. Their servers cover whole spectrum of gameplay: semi vanilla, vanilla+, kitpvp, norma, rust, rp, unturnov, creative, creative arena.
Server sells multiple packages, permanent and temporary which includes all sorts of things: credits, vaults, bigger payouts, items, kits etc, again whole spectrum.
So, since we all like to count others money, lets do some theoretical analysis on this case. If 1 server which covers one type of gameplay can make ~1800 per month, how much can make server network with 28 servers and all possible gamestyles? We can just speculate.
Im not trying to protect one side or another, but lets be hypocritical and put emotions aside. It seems like currently all conditions are aimed to give positive outcome for some specific server networks while putting other networks down.
Having one servers network owner in mind, who suggested to let sell monthly ranks and Nelson was like âyeah, maybe you are right, monthly ranks will be treated as permanent onesâ. Take a guess what this owner is selling on his server store? Nelson is genuinely nice person, but what is happening looks like dirty politcal games. Everyone should be treated equally. P.S., yes i heard that that this server owner, whose server was picked as an example isnt the most honest person and i hope eventually players will see that too and will find a better place to play. (if everything was truth).
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Including Brad and Fudgyâs feedback from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1J2USV4qAA
My main takeaway being that it would also be good to have an option for server owners to tag their servers as âno microtransactionsâ or âcosmetic-only microtransactionsâ. Players could filter the server list according to these, and falsely using this setting would result in a ban.
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There is many ways to make donate not P2W and it will be profitable.
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Stop being reasonable, players cannot play the game how they want to.
Or you could just, uh, not force people to play the game a way you deem okay.
Okay, thats a good idea
Ban of what? The dude that (didnât) set the flag? The server owner? The server itself?
Not going to lie, I donât see this worki9ng any which way.
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Ban all micro transactions that include perks in servers, these are the servers that are ruining the game. Get rid of them, only allow purchases for donations or name changes, these money hungry bastards are the reason unturned is crumbling
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yes thats where you would have a moderator manually check it.
boo hoo, the servers that are currently making 1,000+ dollars in profit a month will no longer be able to run their machines that cost 3$ a month to run. Why wont people think of the rich goons???
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Yes! They are making this much money off of A SINGLE ROLEPLAY SERVER. This isnât even a huge franchise with over 20 servers, its just one RP server, and it makes $1,820 a month.
I agree! I would do it myself but most websites do not include that handy widget that says all the donations they receive.
This is ⌠a start. Would I prefer P2W servers getting destroyed and thrown out of business entirely? Yes. Would I prefer them being segregated and organizing into a different filter on the serverlist?
That is not preferable but it is better than what there is now.
Yes precisely! It is ruining the game, it has already ruined the game, but I would prefer to salvage what is left and have the serverlist become good again.
I made clear that this was a problem over 3 years ago in 2018 when I made a satirical thread where I would, every single day, take a screenshot of the Unturned serverlist sorted by most players, and then highlight how almost every server was P2W (and nitpicking other problems too).
The reality that the serverlist was so bad made SDG forum mods call the thread ânegatively targeting serversâ and âsolely a hateful post meant to discredit specific/named serversâ. The Unturned serverlist was so bad three years ago, that criticizing it was seen as hate and targeted harassment.
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Hey Nelson, Iâd like to have an call with you myself. If you could reach out to me that would be fantastic. My discord is zman1064#1064
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Not gonna lie Nelson, I donât think that the people who took part in this forum post are going to be very happy that you had a interview with 2 of the most well known P2W server owners, without at least 1 person who is an advocate against P2W in the interview with you.
It is clear from the interview that their points are pretty much the same that Modern mo has brought up here, and those have already been deconstructed and debunked. Especially the âservers are expensive to runâ part, which you tackled yourself in the interview.
If Fudgy and Brad had something more to say, they should have come here and made a comment of their own. I feel like this was a bit insulting to anyone who took their time to write something for this thread.
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No. We need to get rid of this servers, cause kids will join this servers anyways. And donât listen Brad - he is soulless hypocrite, who imagines his players as money pouches. Fudgy is strange too. This person has a history of being heavily disliked in the community mainly because of a certain someone taking maps to use for his whitelisted server.
Why they have a bigger say in the future of Unturned more than other people?
Oh my, the problem with P2W servers was still there since 2018. Itâs been so long.
No. We need to get rid of this servers, cause kids will join this servers anyways. And donât listen Brad - he is soulless hypocrite, who imagines his players as money pouches.
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Big brain. Thanks for the math and putting this into perspective of how rediculos this is
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@SDGNelson
The situation with the user MyTwoSicilies in particular where servers can DDOS their competitors offline is completely unacceptable and at times is an extreme problem. Because some shady P2W server can hypothetically knock a more honest brick & mortar server offline if it gains traction so to speak. Shit like this also needs to be prevented.
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But that has nothing to do with nelson you can be DDosed on any game the best solution is to pick a host with higher-end DDoS protection or ask if you can upgrade on your current one for a additional price.
Hey Nelson, Iâd like to have an call with you myself. If you could reach out to me that would be fantastic. My discord is zman1064#1064
If Fudgy and Brad had something more to say, they should have come here and made a comment of their own. I feel like this was a bit insulting to anyone who took their time to write something for this thread.
I agree that it would have been preferable for them to post here. They insisted that their points would be better communicated by a call however, so the compromise was that I could include a recording here. zman I figure your points have already been raised here and in your videos?
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